Fetish/Role Play/BDSM in HC

[sickindahead]

Hi DonCJ,

I have been to CJ twice. Didn't get to meet you, though i accidental opened the door to your room and you were sleeping during my second visit.

I have been to midori's place before as well and I must agree with you the CJ is better runned. One thing i prefer about sessions with midori is that she is she is intelligent and a true mistress who enjoys the life style (at least it seems so). The girls and CJ and the rest of the girls at midori are trained professionals but i doubt they are really into the lifestyle. But i guess most ppl don't really have a problem with that but i personally love someone who truely enjoy seeing me hurt.

Anyway, bangkok tonite is pretty screwed, now that they have become a pay site.

[sickindahead]

Originally Posted by ang076

Yeah, I have joined your yahoo group..

Sorry, I am not keen on going overseas..

Hey can i get a link to the grp as well?

[dezmondlim]

no doubt japanese sm videos is the best ....
but dont know about the real sessions

[DonCJ]

Thanks for the kind words.

But I did not say anything on this forum about CJ being better run than Midori's. Midori and I are close friends. She started out as my protege and Head Mistress of CJ and worked here four years. There was a period, now long past, when we used to slang each other all over the Net bu, no longer and not for a long time.

She does have a problem retaining good Dommes for very long but, that is a common hassle in this business. CJ just lost two Dommes after 8 years on staff but, two others with significant experience returned and replaced them - Mistress Oh and Mistress Doll.

Naturally I can't discuss the personal lives of the Mistresses at CJ or Midori's or any other specific place, as it would be an affront to their privacy. However I can assure you that quite a few are just as much a "lifestyler" as Midori, if by lifestyler you mean someone who continues to enjoy BDSM in their personal life. In the US and Europe many pro Mistresses are lifestylers but many also reverse roles in their personal lives. This is even more so in Japan. Or else Japanese Mistresses are "vanilla" at home. I have known several guys who were the live-in boyfriends of Japanese pro Dommes and when they came to CJ they would complain to me about how it irritated them to watch their gf's makeup process and selecting her fetish wardrobe for the night, go to work torturing men, then come home in the wee hours and change into yukata and fuzzy slippers and just want vanilla sex. Life's a bitch!

A lot of subs want the fantasy of serving a total lifestyler Domme, and a lot of Dommes all over the world work hard at fulfilling that - even when it is only an illusion. Few pro Dommes will ever admit that they are vanilla at home, or that they are married, or even that they are kinky at home but submissive to their partner. It isn't what the sub wants to hear.

A lot of cyber-ink gets devoted to this matter on the BDSM boards, but it cannot be resolved. Some pro Dommes promote themselves as lifestylers, and argue (or let their subs argue) that this makes them "better" Dommes. This is largely just a marketing ploy at the expense of Mistresses who switch, or who sub in their personal lives. In that sense it is very much like the carefully maintained facade that is quite conventional in the US Scene that Dungeons are not male-owned/male managed. NOT TRUE! in most cases. However they will never admit it, usually, again because it's just not what the subs want to hear.

BTW way Mistress Christy did not spring fully formed like the Venus from a half shell. She started out as Mistress Chastity at Chateau Jade just another one of my original four proteges along with Midori, Virginia, and the short lived Cherry who was Virginia's gf. She had a huge clash with Midori and left, returned later, left again to take a different path in her private life. A few years later she decided to return to Domination but on her own and renamed herself Christy. I thought it was very nice of her to do that so as not to exploit her reputation as Chastity. Anyway we always have stayed close. Christy is a talented Domme, and certainly a lifestyler. Unlike Midori she basically works alone except for her assistant Aria. My advice is, session with Christy rather than Aria. A big differential in talent there. (and I did not train Aria.)

[DonCJ]

Short PS and I apologize for not figuring out how to edit yet

Bangkok Tonite was screwed up long before they went to being a pay site.

The proprietor does not live in Thailand, he is in M'sia. How would S'poreans like it if someone in Burma, say, started a forum called Singapore Tonite and pretended to know all about everything there?

Most of the posters on Bangkok Tonite do not live in Thailand, they are sex tourists. All they ever see of Bangkok is Patpong/Nana/Soi Cowboy and the massage parlors. Most of them hate and despise the girls they screw and spend their time on the forum trying to connive how to beat the (cheap) going prices down further. There was negligible interest in BDSM discussion. It was for me a waste of time.

[KatoeyLover69]

Originally Posted by DonCJ

Bangkok Tonite was screwed up long before they went to being a pay site.

The proprietor does not live in Thailand, he is in M'sia. How would S'poreans like it if someone in Burma, say, started a forum called Singapore Tonite and pretended to know all about everything there?

Correction !


DonCJ,

It is not true that the proprietor of the Bangkok Tonight website does not live in Thailand ! Even though he is a Malaysian he had lived (and is still living) in Bangkok for many years now

http://www.bangkoktonight.com/

[DonCJ]

In that case I was partially misinformed. I did get his nationality right, though, and the other is really not something I care about, particularly, as I wouldn't give you a Taiwanese dollar for that forum and all of its sleazy members rolled up together - any present company excepted of course. And it seems I am hardly the only one who feels that way. Particularly among the long term Bangkok expatriates. I've been here going on 20 years and a lot of guys I know have been here 30-40 years and consider me a johnny come lately. Few of the old hands have much good to say about "DarkKnight" and his sex tourists.

So it's a trivial matter.

[ydgduo]

looks wise
i like the japanese gals better
young cute and white white skin

no disrespect to your gals in thailand
just personal preference

also looking at equipment from japan sm house and your sm house, their's look better. Again it is personal perference.

Grass is always greener at the other side, that is why japanese men flood to thailand for sm fun.

good job for your effort to sm scene, keep up the good work, the more the merrier, can the thai sm house, update the website and photos more often, also pay per view video should be increase. I think they update their internet site like once every 5 years.

[DonCJ]

Thanks for comments

We will not get involved in video either on DVD or streaming, simply because the Thai police are really aggressive about cracking down on that. Whereas otherwise they just leave one alone.

The website gets updated every 2 years. You have to keep in mind that until the last six months, we had not changed location for 8 years and we had not had any major staff changes in 8 years. So while we changes out photos and added some pics of furniture etc, there were simply no major changes to be shown for quite a long time.

Now there have been several so expect an update this year. Also we are getting ready for our tenth anniversary. February 2008. A major milestone for us.

Another thing to consider is that 75% of our subs are repeat guests, they have been here before and they have relatively little interest in the websites.

Most of the people who are really interested in the websites (we have five sites) are people who have never sessioned with us, and frankly many have never sessioned at all, and IMO aren't very likely to do. We used to run up against an awful lot of such on the OFEM forum (now spammed into complete irrelevance), People who cared about SM art, videos and pics but not actually DOING SM. Well, CJ is not in the porn business and won't be as long as I have anything to say about it.

It isn't that we don't care about new subs (first time visitors) but just that our priority is for taking care of our members (repeat visitors.

With first timers we have an ongoing problem with a high rate of no-shows, 90% of no-shows and last minute cancellations are by first timers. Whereas the regulars have proven they will show up - by showing up! We get very few cancellations from regulars and even fewer no-shows from them. So I hope you can see the business sense behind our attitudes.

I understand your aesthetic preference for light skinned Dommes. Thai men have a distinct and well known preference for light skinned women, which is why they prize Yunnanese girls and nothern (Lanna) Thai girls most of all while northeastern girls (ethnically Lao of Khmer-Thai) are at the bottom of the heap. Westerners prefer the darker girls, or simply don't care about pigmentation which is why the bar districts that cater to westerners (farang) are chock full of Issan (northeastern) girls. At CJ the Dommes are from a variety of ethnic mixes: central Thai, Tha-Chinese, Issan, and western Thai near the Burmese border.

Anyway pigmentation is not at all uniform in Japan. Not all Japanese women are so white skinned, that's what makeup is for and the cosmetics industry makes a bundle peddling whitening creams there as well as around here, don't they? But on balance your generalization is reasonably accurate.

[BulleYe]

Originally Posted by DonCJ

Bangkok Tonite was screwed up long before they went to being a pay site.
...
The proprietor does not live in Thailand, he is in M'sia. How would S'poreans like it if someone in Burma, say, started a forum called Singapore Tonite and pretended to know all about everything there?
......

Originally Posted by DonCJ

In that case I was partially misinformed.
....

So it's a trivial matter.

sorry,
so please do more research before comments on misinformed.
that to prevent by your misinformed to mislead others as well.

[DonCJ]

As I said - a TRIVIAL matter. You want to look up TRIVIAL in the dictionary? It means too small to bother about, insignificant, of no consequence, worthless, immaterial. Get it?

But it's really good to hear that no one on this board EVER makes a mistake or passes on second hand information that turns out to be inaccurate. That's really very impressive.

[ydgduo]

i monitor your website for 8 yrs, and i am sure you did not update every 2 years.

ah ha.

no staff change for 8 years? surely that is not a good thing, punters need new blood, that why they leave their wife at home and go out to do things.
they would change their wife regularly if it is not so expensive to get rid of them.

even if there is no staff change, there are always new photos of sessions and gals.

[DonCJ]

No major staff changes for eight years. That's how long Mistress Wednesday and Mistress Yuey were here and they were our lead Dommes.

Assistants came and assistants went. And some have come back again. As Mistresses Wednesday and Yuey may well too.

That's all the new blood required. Let me emphasize something: this is a profession requiring considerable skill, training and accumulated experience. The rule of thumb is that it kaes 5 years for a Domme to get fully up to speed. Five years. Those who have been here know full well that Mistress Tahn (eight years and counting) is up to speed. Mistress Oh (4 years) is right behind her. Others that preceeded them with comparable times in the Scene were also fully fleshed out and highly skilled pro Dommes. There's no such thing as an instand Domme and what real subs are after is skill and experience. The new blood has none. They are assistants and they are here to learn. This is not a goddamned massage parlor. That's where punters go for new blood.

As to the website, two years ago we added the four private websites that are linked from it, changed photos by and large, and added the session photos on the websites of Mistress Wednesday and Mistress Tahn. A couple of years before that there was another major revision. A couple years before that, another. And a couple before that was when we started.

As I already explained, we are highly focused on the 75% of our visitors who are regulars, and as such they care little about the website. You say you have been "monitoring" our website for 8 years - that's nice. What have you done about it? Nothing as far as I can tell. We've been in operation 9 years and a few months. I figure, if you haven't been here yet, you aren't likely to fly to Bkk to play just because I update the website (again). We do see several hundred new faces a year and that number has not changed since the start. 3/4 of those will return for more and thus join the ranks of the repeats. What I am saying is the website works, and has always worked, for its intended purpose. It is there to attract first time guests. It has not attracted you. So, fine, thanks for the kind words and you are welcome to go on "monitoring" as much as you like but, as you are neither a CJ member nor apparently likely to become one...your opinion is just another opinion and you know what they say about opinions and rectums? Everyone's got one.

[ydgduo]

window shopping
look see look see
buy nothing
our national hobby

it is not cheap man
i got to pay the rent

[DonCJ]

A lot cheaper here than in Japan. Typical Japanese price 25,000-30,000 Yen/hour for one Domme = c.$200 US I think

CJ 10,000 THB 6 hrs 2 Dommes. c.$25 US/hr per Domme.

Admittedly you can't just do 1 hr to get that rate which is the minimum but still that's an 8 to 1 differential when you level the playing fielf for time.

But window shopping is free on the Internet.

Be thankful we don't make it a pay site! which many others have

But I will never do.

To paraphrase John Houseman

We make our money the old fashioned way: we torture people for it.

Quite a few Malaysians and Singaporeans have taken the plunge and apparently liked it judging by the fact that they came back later for more of same.

Anyway thanks for your good wishes and best of luck