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07-07-2009, 01:09 AM
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Hi Warbird, wanted to frame this reply before my trip but was in rush. Not sure if the questions you asked is still germane to your present circumstance but I feel that the issues you raised is ‘timeless’ in many aspects so I will just present a condensed version in the interest of brothers who are interested to learn more about Art of BY. At any rate, Warbird, you are now (or soon to be) operating with new knowledge and concepts on BY wherein you will be a Patron rather than simply just a boyfriend. Whatever the outcome, I think that you have already come up on top in many levels vis-à-vis your last experience. So without any further ado, 1) It frankly does not matter in a Patron based arrangement whether you tell it to your mistress or not. You should be empowered to tell her if you want or obscure the fact if you so choose. I myself choose to disclose the fact about me seeing other woman according to my whims and fancy. I told Paeng (my Thai mistress) about all my other women, while I only told my PRC that I have two girl friends (without letting her on that I have Paeng on retainer! Note however the above advice must be weighted in accordance to own unique situation and context of your relationship. So based on the information you gave me: a) It seems that JJ is the insecure type. Perhaps you should NOT tell her about the other women (that you might be seeing) for the time being until your relationship settles a little. In addition, you too will be journeying as a Patron for the first time – and you will discover a lot of interesting things to do that you really might not have the time or inclination to look for alternative (at least in the early throes of your romance with JJ) 2) Yes, another women if the perfect ‘wingman’ or wing person to convince other girls of your desirability. However, I note that you have already another person (as in your “Picking Up girls Outside of KTV thread) so this point is moot presently. You can however use JJ or your other girl (CC?) for your buddies. We will thank you for it! 3) & 4) No worries about KC and/or JJ falling for you. In fact it would be desirous for her to do to fall insanely in love with you (at least initially) as it will add a lot to the Love Wanyang element (lovey dovey) in the relationship. Don’t worry about future. I will share with you the techniques to disengaged the relationship with the minimal hurt and inconvenience to all parties. For now, I would just like to highlight to you that in the course of human interactions, there will always be a natural ebb and flow in the intensity of emotions between one another. You simply use the period of ‘ebb’ to break off a relationship. And the timing, ‘ebb’ and event(s) can be orchestrated by you – I’ll show you how to do so in due time! Quote:
JJ certainly has the potential to be a dazzling diamond (I am sure that is quite obvious!). Applying the right grooming and poise onto JJ, you will certainly be an envy of many people. 2) I will talk a little about accommodation very soon. I have got several brothers here who are really enthralled with the concept of the Love Nest! Meanwhile, you must continue with your effort to seek suitable accommodation. Thrust me for now – the Love Nest can add many dimensions to the relationship. 3) I had a wonderful time in Hong Kong Macau – some tears too! Paeng, my Thai mistress, actually proposed to me! And I finally took HKD 5, 000 back from the Venetian by playing Blackjack. Token I know, but dam satisfying in lieu that I have never even won a cent there before. 4) No idea on Xin2 situation as I did not contact any of the principal players during my trip. Cheers everyone! 
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07-07-2009, 01:47 PM
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Am waiting patiently for the disengagement segment of your lecture/tutorial. Am also very interested in accomodation! 
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07-07-2009, 03:11 PM
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Welcome back!!! Your wise advice n counsel r truly timeless. I'm not sure if JJ is really insecure. She is smart, confident n poised...may be she is just playing a mind game w/ me... Yes, she could be a valuable "wingwoman" for my KTV buddies, hahaha. Although I'm a serious student of human psychology, NLP, love strategies, mind control, sex techniques, etc, n I'm becoming a fearless, "overconfident bastard," I dun for a minute believe JJ could possibly fall for an old chi ko pek like me. The time we will hv together is just too brief (she is leaving on 30 July). It would be a different ball game if only I had 10% of ur mojo, hehehe. But, give me 2 more months...who knows, bcos fact is stranger than fiction. After all, a gal falls in love w/ a man not for who he is, but for how he makes her feel (especially about herself).  Bro, u should take the offer from ur buddies n accept Xin2 as ur mistress, hehehe. Finally, congrats on ur winning at blackjack. A win is a win... Cheers!
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#169
07-07-2009, 08:50 PM
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Anymore Masterstrokes to impart Justime. I am still trying to recover from my first failed attempt to BY.
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#170
07-07-2009, 11:15 PM
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Accommodation Quick Pointers:
There seem to be quite an interest in the concept of the Love Nest that I talked about earlier. I thought it therefore expedient that I leave some quick pointers now before reverting to the main thrust of the thread as I know that some brothers are in the midst of setting up their own personal Love Nest. 1) For great sexual experience to happen: the girl(s), copulation activity, time, situation/context and place/venue are important variables. In general we seek to control all these variables so that you can take charge of your love life and define it in the terms of how you want it to be. (Paradox here: we even ‘plan’ for spontaneous fun!). A Love Nest is useful because it allows you the biggest leverage to control these variables. It also confers you an “alpha” status like no other. In terms of giving you value for money, it is better than proffering her money directly, gift buying and subsidizing her rent outright. Yes, from the context of my experience there is no better accommodation substitute than having your own personal Love Nest. And I have done them all: from having sex only in public/outdoors to long stays at service apartments! Summary of place/venue/accommodation for sex: a) Hotels/motels/service apartments are expensive options. Having the use of the entire house (plus a room for your personal living space) over the course of a month gives you more value in addition to being easier on the pocket. Also in hotels & motels, you are in many ways limited by the range of “love equipment” that you might bring in and the type of copulation activity that you might engage in. (Will tell you what these Love Equipment are later) b) To use your own place to accommodate your girlfriend/mistress limits the number of girls that you can have carnal relationship with simultaneously. Unless you have the financial wherewithal of the Mistress Brotherhood (except for Jus), most of us have only one house available. Alternatively, you can have a harem like arrangement. This arrangement takes a little practice to successfully execute. I myself do not have direct experience with having all my mistresses living under one roof but Mike and Hua have done so. c) When you are not the landlord (or main tenant) you have to abide the ‘rules of the house’ (sorry for that turn of phase – still in Casino mode presently!) Your conjugal visits to your girlfriends/mistress house needs to be ‘scheduled’ around the other tenants’ and the Landlords’ timetables. I have gone to the ladies’ domicile countless times and I can tell you that a majority of them share a room with others and that most landlords prohibit male visitors to their premise. d) For those living with parents etc, I suggest not to bring these lasses there at all. You don’t want them to know where you (or your loved ones stay). If the relationship sours for whatever reason, you will be putting them at risk. I have witnessed and even experienced first hand incredible scenes of PRC ladies going berserk when she is scorned or dumped. At any rate, (for me at least), it will be awkward to say the least to be engaging in intercourse with the parents around. (It’s a long time ago but I once had a “screamer” who is so loud during love making that it invited a knock on the door by my parents with the inevitable concerned “Are you alright?” Talk about libido and wood killer!). In short, please grow up from being a teenager whereby you arrange for a tryst only when your parents or significant others are not in. You are now a patron, whom the mistress is supposed looks up to. Be in control of your time when you want to indulge in carnal pleasures without the need to defer to anyone! 2) Assuming a budget Love Nest situation, please remember that in the cost sharing of the apartment, you are not only living with your mistress but also with your buddies (I call them co-landlords) and their mistress/girl friends as well. I am incredibly fastidious about whom I choose to share my Love Nest with. I have two different groups of co-landlords for two different sets of apartment. This worked out to be one apartment for XH and one for GQ, my PRC ex –waitress mistress. By the way, I am the one signing the main contract lease with the owner of the house but I did not tell either of one of my mistress about it, preferring to create a fictitious landlord in order to ascribed blame to the ‘landlord’ for any household rules that I want to introduce. At present, I do not have any more excess capacity for additional Love Nest. Both in terms of rooms/apartment as well as the number of suitable people who is willing join in the Love Nest arrangement. 3) For my present Love Nests arrangement, my fellow co-landlords relationship arrangement with me is more than three years already. During this time, I have yet to experience a single problem with any of them. In fact, we got on so well, that one fella wanted to me to create another team of co-Landlords with me because he wanted to have another girl friend. Guess I inspired him with my lifestyle. During these three years of budget accommodation, I even witnessed a ‘fairy tale’ wedding with members of my Love Nest - (not in scope and grandeur of the matrimonial ceremony but simply just for the fact that my co-landlord marrying a KTV WL. They move out to set a Love Nest of their own). 4) In general, tidy, easy going persons who are not terribly calculative are the best co-landlord partners. This principle is analogous to finding a good room mate. One of my co-landlords, William is so easy going and generous here. He buys groceries for all at the household without any fuss whatsoever on whether other people chip in their share. He even stocks up toiletries (yes, even sanitary pads!) for common use. (For my part, I usually pay for utilities without asking the co-landlords to chip in (give and take)). 5) Possessive and jealous co-landlords are strictly no-no. 6) Always have some house rules. Make sure that you yourself can abide by this. Make the rules fair. One of the rules we agree upon (the Love Nest where XH is staying presently) is that there should be no other male visitors except us! I always ensure that all my co-landlords know the rules of engagement before I even rope them in project Love Nest. 7) It is generally more difficult to find a good co-landlord than girls etc. To this end, I am very patient and methodical about with finding suitable candidates whom I can share Project Love Nest with. For my first effort, I actually started with only other person (and I absorbed a large proportion of the rent until I find another suitable person). 8) Collect on months rent from co-landlords in advance and/or always ensure timeliness in your paying your share of the rent. 9) Always check all records – from the girls to the co-landlords. Make sure that everything is in order. (To be continued ..)
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#171
08-07-2009, 12:58 AM
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Despite the heavy theorizing in this thread, I am pretty sure that most of you would have deduced by now that I am a firm advocate of “praxis”. Don’t believe what I write no matter how eloquent I sound. Theory must be validated against experience in order to make it meaningful and of use to you. Ultimately, there is NO substitute for direct experience.
That is why I am so profoundly glad that Bro Warbird actually utilizes what he learnt here and actually puts it against real life experience. I am confident that Bro Warbird will vindicate the concepts and theories of what I put forth. This is the best testimony and validation of the truism of what I write here. The pitfalls I mentioned and advice I give are gleaned the hard and expensive way. You can avoid this by learning from my experience. Whether you are hesitant on BY or simply want to just empower yourself a little within the context of your present relationship - Just dive into it experientially. Go for the ride and bear in mind the principles I mentioned. Apply the concepts and masterstrokes and you will see that your journey is so much more enjoyable. Test it – “rubber hits road” against your own experience. If you had a bad experience previously, all the better. You will plainly see the stark difference between what you have done wrong previously and the new improved approach you take in courting girls or BY. With that in mind (experience as oppose to theory), I am introducing: GREAT EXPERIMENT 1: PROJECT LOVE NEST (Budget version)
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08-07-2009, 01:08 AM
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GREAT EXPERIMENT 1: PROJECT LOVE NEST (Budget version)
I rushed out talking about accommodation instead of continuing on Masterstroke at this juncture because I know that some brothers are on the verge of setting out a Love Nest and don’t really know how to go about it. I know that it can sometimes be a challenge to find like minded persons to share costs (and enjoy benefit) for things such as Love Nest. It took me ages to find the people I want. Now I want to take this practical approach a little further. As a service and social experiment of sorts, I want to see whether I can get like minded brothers who intend or are in the process of setting up a Love Nest to come together and share cost. (I am presuming a budget version of the Love Nest) I shall facilitate the setting up of a Love Nest for readers of this thread who are seriously contemplating it. Obviously this is the first time I am using the internet as a modus operandi to set up a Love Nest. There will therefore be some kinks invariably in the execution of it. As such, I suggest you take a “caveat emptor” approach when you buy into this proposition. I will NOT take any responsibility for the consequence at all for this venture. You are the adult, and the decision and responsibility to embark on this project is yours alone. I am merely helping out by expanding my time and effort (which in some commercial arrangement can be worth quite a fair bit!) Some caveats: i) This is a simple project that I thought of when writing my earlier post and in answering some PM that I received. Not much deliberation, ratiocinations and planning go into it. Hell, I am not even sure that I can get even one single person interested here! ii) The Great Experiment basic aim is to find a pool of equally interested brothers there who is interested in setting up their personal Love Nest. Please do so only when you have the financial means and are seriously interested in taking up the Project. Please remember that there is No such thing as look-see or even a maybe. If you hesitate, you are in the category of not interested. Look no further: iii) For now, we work on a PM system basis, with me being the ‘exchange’ centre. Once you have decided that you are indeed interested, give me a PM. Once I have received your PM, I then assess your situation and will re-direct you to a specific e-mail address whereby you can send me all the relevant information as per below. The general terms of the proposition are as follows. Read carefully: 1) The Project will run for only ten days. It will end on 15 July 2009 midnight Singapore time. 2) The budget I set is an apartment of three rooms: about $800 per person per month for the normal room and $1100 for the master bedroom. All rooms are to be air conditioned. For tenants/constituency mix, there will be three patrons living with one mistress each. The location must be accessible to major KTV clusters – you should be familiar enough on where these are. Read this thread again carefully and/or go through this entire forum if need be. As I am not a property agent or consultant, the above figure is only just a guesstimate. Be prepared to pay a little more. 2) The person who wants the Master bed rooms pays $1100. He also pays 40% of the utilities bills with the other two sharing the other 60% on a half and half basis (i.e. the other two co-landlords pay 30% of the bill each). 3) The period of commitment is tied with the lease arrangement. If you break up with your current squeeze, the onus is on you to find another one quickly because you will need to uphold your end of the accommodation arrangement. 4) Read carefully my budget Masterstroke regarding accommodation. Whether you do a co-sharing of rental with your mistress or with your girlfriend is immaterial. You must however communicate to her the purpose of this Love Nest explicitly. No prevarications putting on euphemisms about the accommodation. Tell it as it is- a private Hotel 81 among “friends”. 5) Be as objective and fair as possible regarding your character as well as your ‘significant other’. If you are a fuss pot, please look no further. We will be wasting each other time. Also look into your mistress’ character. If she is the difficult sort (with you the only one who can tolerate her), please do not even consider joining in this project. 6) At the outset, no visitors are allowed. Of course this rule can be amended once the actual co-landlords get together and define who can or can’t visit the Love Nest. For me, I usually discriminate – only female visitors are allowed. No other males beyond that of the landlords to the Love Nest. 7) Please indicate in your PM whether you are willing to be the project leader for taking up the main lease with the actual owner. i.e. the main person who signs the lease agreement with owner and collects the rent from the other co-landlords. The project leader gets first refusal rights regarding the master bedroom. Also give your maximum budget that you are willing to spend. Err on the side of being conservative in putting up your budget. 8) In the interest of transparency, I myself may be part of on the project* as co-landlord. If that is the case, I will be the Project leader. I will also take up the master bedroom. (* Depending on the Xin2 thingy or whether there is anyone else that come along during this Project phase). I cannot confirm my participation now, but I will certainly help put parties together if there is sufficient interest out there. I also guarantee that I won’t “choose” co-landlords to favour myself. Whatever the outcome, I will share with all at every step of the way, about my participation in the project. 9) While I will help to match potential co-landlords, the onus is entirely up to the team members to make it work. As a favour however, I can meet everyone on the team and give my own personal briefing on the expectations of a Love Nest and how to make it work. The above favour should not be misconstrued that I will definitely do so. I am quite a busy person and cannot 100% commit that I can give you this time. 10) This is a social experiment of sorts – it’s the first time I use this internet platform to try and organize a Love Nest. Things may and will likely go wrong. I am not responsible whatsoever with the consequence with regards to the Great Experiment. 11) In order to make for as perfect match as possible, please share with me (through the special email address I will give you via PM) as much details as possible with regards to yourself and your girlfriend and mistress. I promise that what you send remains with me**. Be absolutely candid. I have seen and experienced a lot of different things, your circumstances will likely NOT to surprise me at all! **(I give you my word that NO disclosures about your personal information and story will be leaked out from my end. You have to take this on faith here. Intuit. Read through my thread again to get a flavour on what I stand for.) 12) I have no personal gain from this Great Experiment except for the psychic satisfaction that I helped someone in creating joie de vivre in his life (the Joy of living). 13) As I cannot ascertain on the authenticity of the information I receive. My role is just to put interested co-landlords together and hopefully a great friendship is forged among the like minded*** co-landlords of the Love Nest. ***(Like minded as in believes that you should always be empowered in your “love” relationship with girlfriends or mistress. Ideally, all roomies are on a Patron based mistress (or lease aspiring to be one!) 14) The choice in the use of property agents and/or third party agencies is strictly between prospective co-landlords. I have no role in it. In fact, in the interest of being transparent I will NOT recommend any third party to the group. 15) I invite comments and feedback on this. Finding co-landlords via this modus operandi is my first time too! Okay, Let’s see how this Great Experiment 1: Project Love Nest shapes out! Cheers!
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08-07-2009, 07:46 AM
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Anyway Koreanlover, the other concepts which I talked are not a distraction from the Masterstrokes. It is actually the philosophical underpinnings that support the Masterstrokes. It is equally important to know them well as the Masterstrokes itself. In essence you should look at BY as an integrated whole (and holistically). With the starting point always asking yourself this question: "How am I empowered if I do this (course of action)?". I know about heart breaks and the pain of separation – I am a divorcee and the in the course of my life time, I think that I have gone through at least one hundred failed relationships – long and short. Some of which I was the initiator while other times I was unceremoniously dumped because she found a better prospect or simply find me a pain in the proverbial ass. However, know this for a fact; the curious thing about the latter situation (of me being dumped) is becoming rather rare in the last several years. It is indeed ironical because even if I was involuntarily dumped I have the necessary coping mechanism to handle it. The last time I was “hurt” it took me a whole of three days to get over it! (Now I can’t even remember how she looked like except that she had big tits and large pinkish areolas ….hell I can’t even remember whether she had straight or curly hair). It is not that I am certainly more desirable physically – how can it be? I am much older and I have had no enhancements done. But it is because of my change in attitude and life paradigm. I managed to empower myself tremendously in the last couple of years. In essence and substance what I had done is to create options and choice in my life – which I had not done so previously. Yes, Choice as to even how should I be feeling under different life circumstances. (Will share all these strategies in due course – please be patient) Koreanlover, I will not trivialize your emotional pain and use hard talk like: “Get over it…. “That which does not kill us makes us stronger” (Friedrich Nietzche) etc when I don’t know the full context of your relationship. What I do know however is that time is a great healer. And an empowering life strategy greatly accelerates the healing process – not only in the relationship per se but also other disappointments that the very act of living a life will bring.
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#174
08-07-2009, 09:57 AM
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[/QUOTE=justime;3900234]Despite the heavy theorizing in this thread, I am pretty sure that most of you would have deduced by now that I am a firm advocate of “praxis”. Don’t believe what I write no matter how eloquent I sound. Theory must be validated against experience in order to make it meaningful and of use to you. Ultimately, there is NO substitute for direct experience.[/QUOTE]
Bro Justtime, I would like to extend to you sincere thanks for your effort and time in this thread. Also perhaps encouragement. Reading through your thread has indeed enlightened me on aspects of the BY/patronage/mistressing relationship I have missed before. To be totally honest, one of the biggest pointers to me from your thread has been the concept of empowerment. When I engaged in BY in the past, I never thought very much about this. I remember years ago when a potential target of mine wanted a new mobile phone, she asked me to get her one and I did (bloody model she wanted just happened to be f***ing pricey), not thinking at all about who was calling the shots. I learnt from that occasion (& a few others) that simply giving the target what she wants, when she wants it, does not mean you will get anything. Ouch! I was probably a target to her! Duh! Even after bedding her, it did not mean I got more out of it because I was simply not in much control of the dynamics. Your theme on calling the shots puts many things in perspective. It really is not a "make her happy operation". Its a "make ME happy operation". While I think I have matured a bit from those stupid days (and grown older in the process) (I no longer have qualms about telling any prospective mistress to get lost should they give me any nonsense), your thread has validated my own observations. So, Great Thread! Please keep it coming!
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#175
08-07-2009, 06:34 PM
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It is indeed quite a validation for me that my efforts are not in vain! I also like the way you sumed things up: It really is not a "make her happy operation". Its a "make ME happy operation". Perhaps in addition to asking yourself whether a course of action empowers me, we can also ask ourselves whether it ME happy! Your anecdote about mobile phone also has a ring (pardon the pun) of familiarity about it. I am sure that many brothers during their course of cheonging have encounter this proposition at some point. Some quick pointers about mobile phones as gifts: 1) Buying that phone will not give you that extra credit. Gifts (especially one that she requests) cannot buy her appreciation nor make that perfunctory sex any better. 2) Also note that she will make the same request to many other brothers simultaneously in the hope that at least one person would accede to her request (or demands). If more than one Uninformed Robert bites, she will simply sell it to one of her friends and pockets the cash. (Note the inordinate number of times a KTV WL changed mobile phones vis-a-vis the general population!) 3) Another pschological trick that these damsels like to employ is when they thank you for the mobile phone gift, she will make it sound as if she is doing you a favour by accepting your gift (and by implication not from others who also offers her the same). This gesture is the KTV WL's "masterstroke". They create the impression that they are heavily in demand (thus raising her perceived value in your eyes). You will also be blind sided into thinking that you are special in her life. Hence you are predisposed to give even more (in order to continue enjoy that 'exclusive' special feeling). I hate to break your bubble, but its very disempowering for you. It will actually harm your esteem in her eyes and reduce you to nothing more than a mere "shake money tree" that she can exploit. And any sex arising from her show of appreciation for the gifts is defintely perfunctory (and can never reach a high estasy for yourself or her). Might as well go for a Short Time - where the gf fantasy element can sometimes be better! Now that you know ... please don't be that Uninformed Robert who is being exploited! 4) I have long been fascinated whether the girls themselves are aware of the inherent trickery and the psychological intricacies involved in such manipulation. If they are aware, then they are in essence immoral. If unaware, then a case can be presented that they are simply amoral. They do what works because they are 'taught', socialised and programed for such strategy - without taking into consideration the larger "moral" consequences. (For social science practioneers, I used the intensive interview and questioning as well as participant obsevation to get "my answer") So which is it? Keep you in suspense for a while before telling you my findings ...... 
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08-07-2009, 08:35 PM
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INDEX KEYS
Reality Blog: Xin2 & Terrence: - Issue of the day: Mistress Exchange between friends Page 1 / Post 1 - Terrence’s First Offer: Page 1 / Post 14 - Historical (Mike with Xin2): Page 2 / Post 18 - Reality Update (Terrence on Middle East Biz Trip): Page 2 / Post 25 - Reality Blog Update (Terrence Back from Middle East) Page 3/ Post 44 - Update Xin2 intends to take up Terrence’s offer (Page 11/Post 153) - That’s what friends are for – Jus offered to try out Xin2 as a Mistress (Page 11 / Post 160- 161) Jus & XH - Introduction (Page 6 / Post 89) - Strategy used to engage XH – in narrative format (Page 9 / Post 122) - Pantyless night out (Page 11/ Post 153) Warbird & JJ - Warbird’s First Failed BY experience: Narration, Analysis & Reply (Page 5 / Post 63 – 68, Post 72 – 73), (Page 10 / Post 151) - First Meeting with JJ (Page 7 / Post 102) - Correct Initial Approach for JJ (Page 7 / Post 105) - Virtual Mentoring (Page 8 / Post 106 – Post 107) - Update (JJ Malaysia Trip) (Page 8 / Post 116) - Advise on Baoying JJ (Page 9 / Post 121) - Negotiation of Terms with JJ (Page 10 / Post 138) - Girlfriend based vs Patron based Mistressing (Page 10 / Post 143) Mistress Masterstroke 1: Manipulation via Gifts - The Psychological Reasoning behind the Manipulation via Gifts (Page 2/ Post 19 & 21) - Mike’s application of Masterstroke 1 with Xin2. (Page 2 / Post 26) Mistress Masterstroke 2: Ruthless step of limiting a target’s income potential & Developing a Crutch Mentality. - Introduction: (Page 2 / Post 28) - Limiting Target’s Income Potential: Bullet Points (Page 3 / Post 34) - Creating a Crutch Mentality: Enervate the target and make her work conditions tough: The Use of Alcohol (Page 3 / Post 37) - Elaboration on what a Crutch Mentality is (the principles behind the Masterstroke) (Page 6 / Post 83 – 84 - “Using the Wuss” method (Page 6 / Post 85 – Post 86) - Crutch Mentality and Animal Farm: Cutting Off the Mother Hen (Page 6 / Post 88) - Cutting off the Mother Hen (Con’t) (Page 9 / Post 131) Budget Masterstroke - Budget Masterstroke Tips #1: Building a Love Nest on a cost sharing basis (Page 6 / Post 89) - Love Nest Opportunity: Rip off at Sims Place (Page 7 / Post 98) Masterstroke Tit-Bit - Masterstroke Tit-Bit 1: Identity of Referral (Page 8 / Post 118) - Masterstroke Tit Bit 2: Broaching the Subject of Bao Ying (Page 8 / Post 119) - Masterstroke Tit Bit 3: Strategy used to engage XH (Page 9 / Post 122) Mistressing Game Mistressing Game # 1: Chocolatey Fun (Page 10 / Post 147, Page 11/Post 152) Uninformed Robert / Girl Friend Based Mistress vis-à-vis Patron based Mistress - Casual introduction of Girl Friend Based Mistress (Page 3 / Post 39) - Uninformed Robert (previously known as Dumb Fuck Robert) – “Romanticize” relationship (Page 3 / Post 43) - Illustration of an Uninformed Robert – William (Page 3 / Post 51) - Practical application of a Patron base relationship (Page 10 / Post 143) - Money and Mistressing Ventu’s case study (Page 10 / Post 145) Thinking / Business Tool: - “It’s Bladdy Obvious” (Page 4 / Post 58) - “It’s Bladdy Obvious” – continuation (Page 5 / Post 63 – Post 64) - Success Traits (Page 9 / Post 133) Book Review: - “Pilot’s wife” (Page 9 / Post 128) Accommodation and the Setting up of a Love Nest - Quick pointers, why a Love Nest is the best option for sexual fun (Page 12/Post 171) - Great Experiment1: Project Love Nest (Page 12/Post 172-Post 173) Miscellaneous: - Mobile Phones (Page 12 / Post 176)
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#177
08-07-2009, 08:42 PM
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Thx!! I shall always ask "How am I empowered if I do this (course of action)?" Now I also know we must never accede to a gal's request for any gifts. Instead, we should use them to reward extraordinary services at our sole discretion. If BY-ing is a "make me happy operation," does that mean I shouldn't try to give pleasure to the gal? I hv found it to be physically tiring n taxing even when I follow David Shade's best sex techniques. Cheers!
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08-07-2009, 09:29 PM
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Hi Justime,
In case you are interested to be strong and virile to a ripe old age, you could try the hunter-gatherer diet.... full of science. | ArthurDeVany.com I also found a local version:- Vitamin A ?(HEALTH & FITNESS PRACTICALITIES)?
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#179
09-07-2009, 01:00 AM
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Re: Mistress
Yes indeed I am still hurt by my first attempt. Its been five days since I confronted her and told her I will not see her and I am missing her - I even dreamt of her last night !
I should have discovered this thread months ago. To be honest, I am a self taught cassanova with Singapore girls but a total amateur in the the field and dynamics of BYing a KTV girl. I have tried to apply the cold-and-hot with little success. Each "bedding" exercise was successful and I have reached the point that she accepts me paying her less than her initial desired rate. That was what prompted me to BY her - with the hope that with a so called stable and predictable flow of BY "income", she could make me her almighty patron. One interesting point to note was that when I made my offer to her, she kept saying "too little" instead of saying an outright No. I guessed thats the technique for fishing for more. When it came to the decision time, she did not even have the cheek to SMS me in reply. That really pissed me off and I chided her for being impolite. Well the thought of upping more offer did struck me at that time, but remembering some of the theories learnt in these lessons from bro Justime, I literally told her to "- - c- off". I was chiding her for her dis-respect in not responding to me rather than the fact of not accepting my terms. Talking about handphone, I guess she is no different. She asked for me ages ago from me and I took literally months to buy her one. She even had to downgrade herself asking for the latest-and-greatest phone to the one that will allow her to make a phone call and simple SMS. In her simple words "I dont want complicated phone just any model will do" after my months of not wanting to get her one. Was she testing me ? I really dont know but what I did was to get her a fairly average phone. What I meant is that it is just another phone and not a showy model. But what the heck ! After getting the phone, she told me its not attractive enough and user-interface of the phone is crap. She has certainly changed tact when she said "any phone will do". It is obvious that I am not willing to change the phone for her and will remain so. The phone lesson is a good one to learn from. You as the so called "Patron" should determine what she gets and not what she would think she likes to get. One should adopt "I decide what you deserves" attitude. Anyway, having said all these. I still miss her very much. Should I continue my cold war and call her ? Damn ! The sex was good. And I have seen her cry and confess her liking for me. Could be another show. These are conflicting thoughts going round my head. I do have another new target and hopefully this will help me divert my attention away from "my first love".
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09-07-2009, 03:34 AM
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Re: Mistress
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I shall craft my next response carefully with regards to “giving pleasure to the girls” as it can tread on some sensitive toes. I can expect some 'disagreements' over the general purport as to what I write here as my argument can go against some apparant 'truisms' are very much in grained. This being said, do try to be open minded and think through my points: 1) First you should not even bother to “try”. Let your natural instincts take over. You should not be fixated over pleasuring her as it paradoxically puts pressure, stress and anxiety onto yourself. And this very anxiety will in turn ironically diminish your sexual performance. To put it bluntly in another way, she is there to satisfy you and not vice versa. You tell her what you want, and she has to find within her means to deliver on your request. 2) Second, (now this is rather controversial), the idea of pleasuring a woman lie in the feminist indoctrination of sexual liberation. Women now accept that sex can be pleasurable in itself and not merely as a means for procreation. Once this idea of women as a sexual being is generally taken as a truism, men foolishly take it one step further to their detriment. They placed it upon themselves to prove their masculinity by linking the sex act of bringing a woman into orgasm / satisfaction as an affirmation of their manhood. This is actually not good for the psyche as it is essentially a manifestation of a fragile ego. And a fragile ego will emasculate you as it robs you of your confidence (which is by far the sexiest attribute that a man can have) 3) In general, women response to sex involves more than the physical. It is the confluence of the mental and psychological context that sets up the arousal reaction for them. (Read a Harlequin or Mills and Boons novel vis-à-vis Penthouse / Sammyboy forum to sense the differentiation). In other words, what I am suggesting here that its not where and how to touch that is important into bring her into heighten state of arousal, but rather in how you bring her into a sexual context that will trigger the biggest response. Of course, I am not dismissing the physical aspect. Too clumsy and “losing your way” on a woman’s physical terrain is one of the biggest turn-off ever for a woman. It shows you up as an inexperienced person (by implication cannot provide for her well being and hence undesirable). So guys, you must know the minimum “technique” (which sadly many don’t) and be comfortable and confident with yourself and your body image. There is really no need to obsess about mastering the entire rituals of the Karma Sutra or even engage in transcendent sex. 4) I will not go too much into sexual technique per se – there are some excellent threads in the excellent Sammyboy forum. Search and look out for it. For me personally, the axiom that mind the sexiest organ (the top head) rings very true. I had women discharging copious fluids by her giving me a blow job the way I want it (without me expanding any physical effort). I am a very lazy lover in terms of physical exertion but I know how to mouth things that I know would turn her on as she is performing fellatio on me. Trust me on that, a lot of women get off by giving pleasure to a man. Sometimes to the throes of quivering orgasm even with only limited physical contact. This is especially so for a man whom they hold in high regard (such as a Patron). Seen or know any fat bastard tycoons (that you just know don’t have the physical wherewithal for hot pulsating sex) and yet women confide that they are good lovers? It mind fuck – and woman cannot tell the difference simply because of their different paradigm in viewing sex. Cheers Mate!
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"Had we but world enough, and time, This coyness, Lady, were no crime. We would sit down and think which way To walk and pass our long love’s day."
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