Tears For A PRC Prostitute

[ekemono]

Originally Posted by aces68

But since you seem to be an expert, what's your advise :- what kind of signal / or act from the FL would indicate to you that she really likes you ?
I mean I have heard of FL giving money to their bf, I think there is a separate thread on this, but is this the only indication that the FL really likes you ?
that she would willingly give you money if you cook up some story of financial problem ?

Yo Yo yo.. i am no expert. Just based on personal experiences. My half pail water skill cant get me anyway far.

Money is a good indication since logically money is WL's highest piority.
But you would have to agreed with me the scenario we are being thrown into are always unique everytime, the expectation of each individual is always different, so it is beyond me to be able to conclude a one solution.

I cannot tell within a meeting or two if a gal is sincere with me, and if anyone can do so, pls teach me
My only understanding is that we have to get into, or at least start a relationship with the gal before we can have the ability to judge. But I am sure some guys who had similar relationships in the past has an advantages to it.

I view being in relationship with a working gals whom we brand as being sincere with us (period), they will make incremental sacrifices to adapt to the goal of a healthier relationship with us. This incremantation or decrement is spur by each other's standings and the ability to commit, thru series of events along the relationship.

I cannot apprehand having a relationship with a working gal if all I do is go to her workplace and support her every other day. That IMHO, is purely for the sake of pleasure. And it may also helps to indicate that why some very seasoned cheongster (not me) is able to dive deep into it and yet have a clear line drawn between lust and emotions.

In summary, I can't tell in short instant if an FL really likes me, and I hope to be enlighten in this. But even if eventually we are lucky enough to meet our mate, there will always be a risk of being used. So it is only how much of the risk you are willing to take.

Meet up with her again and ask yourself that. Cheers and paiseh for my loli loso.

[PRC Rammer]

Originally Posted by aces68

bro, care to tell us more ?
maybe it can help us to avoid similar problem ..

2 years back, I am a single man who fallen in love with a PRC whore working in KTV. We went thru a relationship for 10 months. She is on those 2 years visa multiple-trips entering to Sg some called it business visa or merchant pass.

When I started out sianing & bonking her, she promised me that we will had a future & will never had intention to cheat my money. She said she is kind-hearted nature people & only earn what is rightful to her so she said I must pay her for her time & sex with me. Everytime when she come to Sg, I give her $2,500 a month & also buy expensive gifts for her. Then both of us are happy we meet every weekends & bonk. I treated her very well she sick I bring her to doctor & support her when the KTV is rumoured raids. I also remit $1,500 to her when her parents meet an accident & hospitalisd in China.

At that times I already she had a married man bf in Sg whom she seen as her life partner. With me & another middle-age old men bonking her during her 2 months stay, she still to lied to married man bf, middle-age old man lover & me that she is truthful to us.

Before I ended my stints with this PRC whore, I found out that actually her married man bf did not spend much money on her except me & that middle-age man. Both of us spend $10,000 each on these whore. Her priority is that married man bf & she prefer to fuck by him.

Yet to find out being 10 months with her, she treated me like a stranger telling her hostel mates I am just another man. No doubt I am stupid but with the help & advice from my senior cheongster friends I managed to get it over. Money losses is small thing, I can alway earn & save back thru hard work. Learn this lesson & never be a fool again.

Last but not least she also asked me to loan her RMB150,000 (SGD30,000) to set up business in China so she can quit working. ALL LIED !!!!

Again thank to all friends because their words woke me up I did not loan her the money instead I run off and that middle-age man run off much earlier than me.

Just hope brothers wishing a good relationship with such whores, please think twice & you guys read about my plights

[aces68]

Originally Posted by ekemono

I view being in relationship with a working gals whom we brand as being sincere with us (period), they will make incremental sacrifices to adapt to the goal of a healthier relationship with us. This incremantation or decrement is spur by each other's standings and the ability to commit, thru series of events along the relationship..

bro, tks for your long and insightful posting. In your case, what would you deem as sacrifice by the FL ?

Once, I knew an FL who liked me (my guess only, that time I still green in cheonging) that she suggested that she want to deleted her thread from SBF so that I won't feel hurtful when I read her thread..of course I knew her thru SBF. Is this sacrifice ?

On the other hand, she would tell me how she rejected someone who want to bao her at 5k a month, to me this is a bit of KC, like trying to catch me into her fish line (sorry, dunno how to describe, in cantonese mean 'diu dai yu', but I am not big fish-leh)..then once she told me that one of her gf got a laptop from the bf and I made the mistake of saying that I will buy one too if she learns english..ever since then she bugged me for the laptop by saying things like it's up to you lor, no need to buy if you dun want..to me this is a bit of KC. then later, she said that her gf got post-paid phone line from bf, so asked me to get one for her also using the same kind of tactics (up to you lor kind of words)..at that time her hp also seems to be spoiled, so i did get a phone line for her with a new phone..but I think it's gone a bit too far and she seems to take me as 'robert'.. what is your opinion ?

it's still kinda on-going but now she back in China and i'm trying to think of a good plan to dump her gently so that we would remain friends and I still have chance to up her as FL

[ekemono]

Originally Posted by aces68

bro, tks for your long and insightful posting. In your case, what would you deem as sacrifice by the FL ?

Hi bro aces68, I am not good with my England so I suppose you had a hard time making out my words. But I am hope they are useful to you.

Deleting away threads does not amount to any act of sacrifice, in true sense.
Those customers who had posted thier FR would surely had retain her ctc for future RTF. And if an active or existing thread can serve its purpose to bump up an FL business, so can sharing of ctc thru bros and friends behind the scence be an alternative. So deleting thread made no or not enough impact.
Further to it, the period which the gal had suggested this may have been the period in which she had already or almost achieve her objective.
While i agree no one will have too much money, RTF and street walking was other alternate form of raking in the money for her.
Appearing on SBF is just a bonus, maybe a fat one, but not a crucial one. Otherwise, that means all other FL eat shit liao.

bro, I sense the case that you presented here carries abit of a burden to you financially, and the series of acts resembling victimised KC trap.
But i encourage other bros to share thier view before any firm conclusion is made.

But i give you another example, real life one.
Remember the WL i wet the tissue for her to clean her hands?
One fine day I wanted to catch a movie and invited her along. We went to Orchard area. After it I show her around takashimaya and since she is going back very soon in fear of the Sichun case, i told her i will buy her a gift (anyway it is a compensation for a FOC bonk). So a purse it was.
I ENCOURAGED her to look at more expensive brands, even help the promoter to convince her. Wooh.., you can tell she fell in love with those beautiful stuff, eyes gleaming and all that. However, she puts them back and walk away. I have to catch up with her and pull her back to the purse dept. I insist a gift.

So she said ok but her own choice.
Damage: $60 Toscano purse after discount. She says very shiok because got good discount.
Other brands easily $120 above.

LV and Channel that type not my league la

[aces68]

Originally Posted by ekemono

But i give you another example, real life one.
Remember the WL i wet the tissue for her to clean her hands?
One fine day I wanted to catch a movie and invited her along. We went to Orchard area. After it I show her around takashimaya and since she is going back very soon in fear of the Sichun case, i told her i will buy her a gift (anyway it is a compensation for a FOC bonk). So a purse it was.
I ENCOURAGED her to look at more expensive brands, even help the promoter to convince her. Wooh.., you can tell she fell in love with those beautiful stuff, eyes gleaming and all that. However, she puts them back and walk away. I have to catch up with her and pull her back to the purse dept. I insist a gift.

So she said ok but her own choice.
Damage: $60 Toscano purse after discount. She says very shiok because got good discount.
Other brands easily $120 above.

LV and Channel that type not my league la

hi bro ekemono, no problem. Your england is same same as mine, as long as is SBF england, sure no problem to understand. . Tks for your analysis, I also think I kena KC trap but lucky not so shiong type. What I am curious to ask you is :-

1. how do you define the purse as a compensation for FOC bonk ? Do you mean that before bonking you told her you will get her a purse OR after bonking and she did not charge then you told her that you will get her a purse..I always find it hard to compensate FOC bonk, but somehow I think the FL always calculate in their mind how many bonk was FOC, therefore they should get equivalent value in gifts..do you think so ?
2. wah, you damn daring, bring her to expensive shop, what if she decided on an LV, will you buy for her or will you have some backup plan to escape from buying the LV ?
3. another question is was she like your gf or just good friend? in my case, FL always call me lao gong (of course I also call her lao po) and we used to spend overnight together which I paid her only twice. I didn't pay her the other times because she never ask. I have not yet meet a FL who rejected my payment, maybe I not yandao or lucky enough..

[lovemachine]

dear friends,

im back after another roller coaster ride (once again).

the last 2 weeks have been nice (very nice) but peppered with lotsa quarrells.

She has been exceptional nice to me after our last major quarrel.

Brought me shopping for cloths, shoes and belts. Spent like $500 on me?

It stopped when she wanted to buy me a pair of $400 + branded glasses.

I didnt want her to spend her hard earned money like that on me. beside im not a fan of branded stuff.

i returned the favour and spent $500 on her as well, cloths etc. sorta like an exchange as i dun wan her to be on the losing end.

and it turned out that she must have been feeling guilty. recently she got to know a rich guy who is my age and drives a BMW convertible.

within 2 weeks of knowing her, he spent like around $5k on her on her shopping trip.

this, she told me herself when she could have hide it from me.

for her - she wants to be transparent and during her course of work, they (WLs) would all gladly have guys paying for their shopping spree.

so she felt bad and spend on me.

to me, i dun really feel shit that she's "dating" this guy as he's like really determined to "woo" her.

i already knew this would be part and parcel of the relationship when it first started.

anyway to me, my main concern was, if this "sucker" were to be serious about marrying her, (which in my own opinion is very low chance but its still a chance), then i shouldnt hold her back as it would affect her. This guy is supposedly rich (he could be a player faking it) and decent looking.

I told her about this that we might not end up in a marriage and that if she meets a guy who is qualified, then i could be the one holding her back (her lifetime happiness). She cried.

For me, im taking a back seat now and just moved out of her place 2 nights ago. So that in case he sends her back, i wouldnt be the stumbling block.

Play is play but honestly i do like her. And its not a good feeling. But luckily work is "normal" for me. Only a little affected.

For me, im sure we cant work out a marriage with the issue being on my side. Even if she likes me truly (of course money is ALWAYS a consideration whoever i date, WL or not), its hard to make it work.

And honestly for me, i cant be sure if shes just playing it safe. For e.g. i can never know if emotionally she is true about me. Reason? I know she exchanges all those lovey dovey smses and go on shopping trips with guys. Also she have sex with them for money. So there is NO way if she falls for any of them. And there are tons of guys who are easily richer and better looking than me. Im just an average joe.

Anyway emotionally im sorta "wreaking" haha. But from this, im just absolutely convinced that a man's worth is measured by his wealth. i hope i dun sound extreme but i think this is true all along, dating her only reinforces my beliefs. Of course i hope i would be blinded by this pursue in money only.

For now, i would say she likes me truly and of course, im her passport (anyone with a SG passport is one in fact).

But one thing is less than 50hours leaving her place, im itching to meet her again haha.

consoling thing is that i just hit on a malaysian girl working in SG 1 month ago and another young singapore girl. Working on them now to help divert attention away from her.

but honestly right now - i do really like her and probably just see how it goes.

I am interested to see how she will react in the next few days given that i told her to give that rich guy a shot for her own marriage.

till then tata.

[ramon]

Hmmmm...seems like there are quite a number of bros here who want to have a serious relationship with a WL/FL.

I was smitten by a few China and Thai WLs before, it got so bad that I want to be with them everyday and yearn for their companionship but every time when that happens I have to rationalise with myself that I'm married with a kid and this is something that's short lived. In the end it will probably cause me and my family unwanted problems just because I didn't use my bloody brains to think a bit more.

So nowadays when I go to ktvs, I will :
Choose a girl that's friendly and hardworking, cos she is going to:
1)use the remote and choose the songs for me
2)massage my neck cos I probably had a lousy day
3)feed me fruits and replenish my drinks.
4)talk only when I wanna talk
5)be fxxked when I told her I want to (of course she must be willing lah)

I will tell the girl that I'll pay her $100 for tips (min 3 hours and no butterfly) $300.00 to fxxk her for 3 hours. If she agrees then she gets to sit with me.

I will delete her phone number after that and will not ask to sit with her again or RTF.

A KTV is not a place to look for love, but if you like short cuts to get love and a boost of ego to make a ktv girl fall for you, then it's just a matter of choice one have to decide, but for me I'm there to be entertained, enjoy myself and not entertaining them, I don't need the KC cos I dun want phone calls or mushy sms to complicate my life.

[Prince7]

After reading thru' many of the bros' encounters and experiences, I have learned alot

For me, I get to know this WL.
We are close to a certain extend that we shared many things including our problems, about our families, loved ones etc.
She would frequently call me and msg me, almost everyday, when she is free or not servicing customers. We had very good chemistry. And I treated her extremely well.
Whenever she poke the question on Why I treated her so well, my answer is always either "I don't know" or "because you are my good friend".
I have never ask her about her feelings towards me even though she treated me very well.

Until such time that I'm sure of her feelings towards me, we shall remain as "Good friends" or WL / Customer relationships.

The question to which I always ask myself :- There are so many guys she faced everyday, what makes me standout among them? Does she treat the other customers the same ?
Till now, I take her GFE as just plain KC trap.

[DO_YOU_BJ]

Originally Posted by PRC Rammer

2 years back, I am a single man who fallen in love with a PRC whore working in KTV. We went thru a relationship for 10 months. She is on those 2 years visa multiple-trips entering to Sg some called it business visa or merchant pass.

When I started out sianing & bonking her, she promised me that we will had a future & will never had intention to cheat my money. She said she is kind-hearted nature people & only earn what is rightful to her so she said I must pay her for her time & sex with me. Everytime when she come to Sg, I give her $2,500 a month & also buy expensive gifts for her. Then both of us are happy we meet every weekends & bonk. I treated her very well she sick I bring her to doctor & support her when the KTV is rumoured raids. I also remit $1,500 to her when her parents meet an accident & hospitalisd in China.

At that times I already she had a married man bf in Sg whom she seen as her life partner. With me & another middle-age old men bonking her during her 2 months stay, she still to lied to married man bf, middle-age old man lover & me that she is truthful to us.

Before I ended my stints with this PRC whore, I found out that actually her married man bf did not spend much money on her except me & that middle-age man. Both of us spend $10,000 each on these whore. Her priority is that married man bf & she prefer to fuck by him.

Yet to find out being 10 months with her, she treated me like a stranger telling her hostel mates I am just another man. No doubt I am stupid but with the help & advice from my senior cheongster friends I managed to get it over. Money losses is small thing, I can alway earn & save back thru hard work. Learn this lesson & never be a fool again.

Last but not least she also asked me to loan her RMB150,000 (SGD30,000) to set up business in China so she can quit working. ALL LIED !!!!

Again thank to all friends because their words woke me up I did not loan her the money instead I run off and that middle-age man run off much earlier than me.

Just hope brothers wishing a good relationship with such whores, please think twice & you guys read about my plights

Wow bro, understand how u feel...kinda went thru the same shit like you but never dumped so much $$$$...for her, she knows me also, me very stingy one...hehehehe
Well, back on your feet, dun stop cheonging...just turn the KC trap this time and start a scorecard on kills...hehehehe

[DO_YOU_BJ]

The situation is simple....
Nothing good will turn of from having a relationship with a WL.....very very few....like a grain of sand in the ocean. So better be safe.

Only when a WL is ready to throw in the towel, will it be a good time to be a REAL contender for her to be wif u for....however long.....

Then again, this is also a KC trap in the making, so that when she says me gonna 收山 you will let your guard down and thus invest more time, feelings & $$$ on her.
So, my advise is, when you're with a WL & whatever she tells you, you may want to believe her but somehow something in your feels not rite...trust your instincts, its your defensive mechanism talking to you......trust it, it could save you a lot of heartache......

Loosing $$$$ is ok, cos you can spend, means you can earn back...but the heartpain....nabei........you cant control & have to live through it....not worth it....

[DO_YOU_BJ]

Originally Posted by aces68

3. another question is was she like your gf or just good friend? in my case, FL always call me lao gong (of course I also call her lao po) and we used to spend overnight together which I paid her only twice. I didn't pay her the other times because she never ask. I have not yet meet a FL who rejected my payment, maybe I not yandao or lucky enough..

It's not called lucky or maybe it is...they just dun wanna KC trap you only.......
Not wanting money from you is actually the 1st step of KC Trap.....so dun be too happy my friend

[ekemono]

Originally Posted by aces68

What I am curious to ask you is :-

1) Some time back i push the money to her, she rejected. After that didn't meet up with her until she told me Sichun issue and flying home fast. So fast hand fast leg want to blang-ja her on anything la, either restaurant dinner or gift. But she spicy Oriental taste i true blue American junk food man. So end up Food Republic at Wisma. After that brought her to Taka.

2) Those LV and Channel has thier own boutique inside Ngee Ann City. I brought her to Taka. If she insist LV I will tell her too expensive for me. I never act rich in the first place.

3) She is an FL cum friend. I not her lao gong. Neither will I call her lau po.

Whether she likes me or not I am not interested to find out. I dun have the resources to flirt around. One is enough for me.

[Cheonging101]

Originally Posted by ekemono

Whether she likes me or not I am not interested to find out. I dun have the resources to flirt around. One is enough for me.

If all Singapore guys can rationalise like you do, all the PRC meimeis would start to lay KC traps elsewhere already!

[colins]

Originally Posted by lovemachine

For me, im taking a back seat now and just moved out of her place 2 nights ago. So that in case he sends her back, i wouldnt be the stumbling block.

Can imagine the emotional turmoil in your mind all this time. For this kind of feeling (missing her), there is no substitute, you can't find consolation anywhere else except in her presence. Yet the presence is suffocating, and everything seems to defy logic. I've been through this in '06 while in China.

Bro, if you need anything, let me know.

[justl00king]

Bros,

It's actually quite easy to tell if the FL/WL is sincerely interested in you and not your wallet. That is...MONEY is never in the picture.

Ever heard of stories that those FL BFs, treat them like shit and use thier money? Yet they still kwai kwai stick with them. Why, love lor. If the gal really likes you, it means she enjoys your company and time etc. Money is never in her thoughts and she may even spend on you, like treating you to meals of gifts.

These FL/WL all earns big bucks, think they really need your money? Those sob stories are all just a bunch of crap to rope you in for the kill. If you follow this rule, worst only get cheat feelings or sperm.

We keep hearing stories of being con money, feelings etc. They are playing on your emotions, that you like them. So you shower them with money or gifts to show you can take good care of them.I know it takes two to tango. So if you dun tango, they can't get your money.

But if you playing the field and just wanna keep her for mistress, then by all means pay her a reasonable sum and fuck the shit out of them.