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Re: Tears For A PRC Prostitute

Its been about 9 hours since we parted so I am still disoriented, confused and behaving like a bloody love sick puppy. I have not slept at all last night and went straight to work after sending her off at the airport this morning so the mind is not functioning properly.

I agree totally with bro DYBJ that my mind and heart are not at sync now and am at the moment, emotionally vulnerable.

I want so much to believe that I meant something to her apart from being a source of income. The evidence however is very compelling that while she likes me, she is not in love with me. In fact, she told me that herself. I asked her before how she would categorise her feeling for me, whether it is 爱 or 喜欢。 Her answer was 比喜欢多。

At one time we had a bit of a tiff, she told me that she does not want to get too involved with me emotionally as she was afraid that the hurt would be too much to bear for both of us once we have to part.

Although she said that she saved my number in her handphone under the name 老公, she has never addressed me by that term before. Even in her smses, she would refer to me as 老大。 The one and only time she used the the term 老公 was in her last sms to say good bye after she passed immigrations.

Even when we were together, each time the conversation gets too emotional, I can see that she starts putting a defensive wall around herself. The last night we were together, we spent the whole night cuddling on the sofa watching DVDs and didn't really talked much. No farewell bonk either. On the way to the airport, she said that she switched on the DVD for the whole night because she didn't know what to say.

Although she never asked me for money, she never rejected it each time I gave her some. Well to be fair, she hesitated and said I shouldn't but took the money eventually.

All I can say is that there were no misrepresentations or fraud on her part. Looking back at the things she said over the past couple of months, I cannot identify any thing she said where I had reasons not to believe her (apart from the reason profferred for the early departure).

No fake statements like how much she purportedly loves me or how great I was in bed, etc. None of these things. It was me who was constantly trying to break down her defensive walls and I thought I managed to do so, to a certain degree. Once I smsed her and told her that I wanted to tell her I love her when I was with her but somehow I couldn't bring myself to say those words to her in person. Her response which surprised me somewhat was to tell me not to say those three words to her as she does not know how she would react.

For one thing, I am certain that she treats me differently from the other customers (I have a mole planted a la Infernal Affairs). I was also informed that apart from me, she does not go out with any other customers on her time off.

To me, before I can obtain a proper closure of this chapter, I feel that I need to know how she felt about me, whether she had genuine feelings for me or am I just a carrot head to her.

Bro DYBJ, perhaps you can show this post to your mistress and solicit her views on my girl, whether she is truly a HIGH HAND amongst the HIGH HANDS or just a nice girl in the wrong place at the wrong time.

The feelings just felt so real and alive when I was with her.
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Re: Tears For A PRC Prostitute

I am replying to you directly and have smsed my mistress to read and tell me her own opinion.
What you need to do now, VERY IMPORTANTLY is to be truthful & 110% no censorship on all your postings...all must be penned down so as not to lead to a wrong speculation.

Its been about 9 hours since we parted so I am still disoriented, confused and behaving like a bloody love sick puppy. I have not slept at all last night and went straight to work after sending her off at the airport this morning so the mind is not functioning properly.
This is expected bro, like i mentioned, the checklist. As becos of this state of PAIN, the only cure is to be wif her, thus the pulling power is so strong. Remember now, she is not doin anything and you're already feeling this way. This is called emotional entrapment bro.

I agree totally with bro DYBJ that my mind and heart are not at sync now and am at the moment, emotionally vulnerable.

I want so much to believe that I meant something to her apart from being a source of income. The evidence however is very compelling that while she likes me, she is not in love with me. In fact, she told me that herself. I asked her before how she would categorise her feeling for me, whether it is 爱 or 喜欢。 Her answer was 比喜欢多。
Remember the term MIND FUCK! This is trademark bro...so to me, this statement is nothing surprising.
Like wat bro XYZ mentioned before, of 10 gamblers, 9 will loose....we all hope to the 10th & the lucky one.......see how her statement will draw you in to be a gambler now


At one time we had a bit of a tiff, she told me that she does not want to get too involved with me emotionally as she was afraid that the hurt would be too much to bear for both of us once we have to part.
To me, this could be a test...your reaction to her statement will determine how deep you are into her & thus also allow her to evalute her standing in your life....so , it's just a test which results, like now speaks for itself again bro

Although she said that she saved my number in her handphone under the name 老公, she has never addressed me by that term before. Even in her smses, she would refer to me as 老大。 The one and only time she used the the term 老公 was in her last sms to say good bye after she passed immigrations.
Remember wat I said about the mind fuck. This last time calling you 老公also has its strategic reasons. Look at how just 2 words had an impact on you. This one you cannot deny rite....this is to tie a rope around your dick & thus you.

Even when we were together, each time the conversation gets too emotional, I can see that she starts putting a defensive wall around herself. The last night we were together, we spent the whole night cuddling on the sofa watching DVDs and didn't really talked much. No farewell bonk either. On the way to the airport, she said that she switched on the DVD for the whole night because she didn't know what to say. No way she'll wanna dwell deep into her feeling towards you. That's her last sanity stance for defense. Remember, NORMAL women has 2, their feelings and their body. Since being a WL, they already gave up 1 thus they will even be stronger in defending their HEART from anyone...even though they have likings towards them. The suspense will make it unbearable...thus the 希望 side of you will take over....like mentioned...all strategic bro.

Although she never asked me for money, she never rejected it each time I gave her some. Well to be fair, she hesitated and said I shouldn't but took the money eventually.Like i said in my earlier posting, they will never outright say they want $$$$ from you....They rather you give than they ask! Like that, they feel they dun owe you. So they wouldnt be indebted to you in anyway....like that, in their book of trades, you're on equal footing. Wats most important to note is that, SHE TOOK IT without a fight!

All I can say is that there were no misrepresentations or fraud on her part. Looking back at the things she said over the past couple of months, I cannot identify any thing she said where I had reasons not to believe her (apart from the reason profferred for the early departure). Well, she cant be that dumb rite. Damn, here you are wif a WL most of a time does your wifey know? Even if she suspects, does she pursue.....Use this logic to to explain to yourself of this paragraph you just posted...and you'll understand liao & if you really understand this whole paragraph, you'll see how really blinded, blind trust and faith you have on this person.

No fake statements like how much she purportedly loves me or how great I was in bed, etc. None of these things. It was me who was constantly trying to break down her defensive walls and I thought I managed to do so, to a certain degree. Once I smsed her and told her that I wanted to tell her I love her when I was with her but somehow I couldn't bring myself to say those words to her in person. Her response which surprised me somewhat was to tell me not to say those three words to her as she does not know how she would react.To me, this is to show you that this 3 words did make an impact on her....again, you cannot keep thinking just how you look at things. You must try to put yourself in their shoes and see what's in it for ya if you had a client like them wrapped around your finger.

For one thing, I am certain that she treats me differently from the other customers (I have a mole planted a la Infernal Affairs). I was also informed that apart from me, she does not go out with any other customers on her time off.Do not be too over confident with this kinda things. You can mates in CIA, FBI, ISA, MOM, ICA, SMRT for all i care, you can find records etc of her clients but that's about it. What transpires between her & other clients they wont know also.......neither wud actual resources be used to trail, tap on her calls 24/7 etc......so that's still a very very grey area for you. Remember, things can transpire in a bedroom...not all will transpire on outings or over a kopi table.........

To me, before I can obtain a proper closure of this chapter, I feel that I need to know how she felt about me, whether she had genuine feelings for me or am I just a carrot head to her.This, like i said, is called 希望. It's this that drives you now more than anything else. By this, the stage is already set. Only thing now, is, do you wish to part of the act and how much and how long can you sustain this.

Bro DYBJ, perhaps you can show this post to your mistress and solicit her views on my girl, whether she is truly a HIGH HAND amongst the HIGH HANDS or just a nice girl in the wrong place at the wrong time.

The feelings just felt so real and alive when I was with her.
This one i can totally relate.....if there ever was a time in your life to be one mother fucking strong focused prick, NOW'S THE TIME DUDE! You gotta do it now, not just for yourself, but what you may loose if you don't!
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Bro, my mistress has called me to give me her 3cents worth liao.
Her take is, basically the same as mine.
Quote: 老公跟你以前的有点一样, 不简单的女人, 要超级敏感小心。是个高手来的!能放就快放,短痛不如长痛。
To her this WL is working on a consolidated package, you may not be the richest of the lot but all combined together will be a comfy package for this chick.

Also, no mention of $$$$ does not mean dun wan $$$$$$.......its how the WL applies her tactical maneuvers towards her victims only.

She(my 3rd mistress) sees where this is leading to now & what you'll do next. You're so entrapped and is willing to give the whole episode a benefit of a doubt and go see her. This will seal you fate!

Actually, i dun mean to look down on ya or anything, but my mistresses and me thinks you'll go see her. No offense hor

If you decide not to, for your own good, she suggests that once she sms u, dun call back just reply:
没事就好
好好照顾自己
回来了打电话给我

Yes, you will prolly be in MAJOR pain after but in her eyes, you're smarter than she thinks....so, in a way, you win...in the outlook point only lah......you'll be in pain but this pain is better to get now than to get something 1million times more painful later. Either way, you have reached a stage where either road you take, also will kenna pain...only thing is which one is more painful only.
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Re: Tears For A PRC Prostitute

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I asked her before how she would categorise her feeling for me, whether it is 爱 or 喜欢。 Her answer was 比喜欢多。

This is a politically correct answer

Although she said that she saved my number in her handphone under the name 老公, she has never addressed me by that term before. Even in her smses, she would refer to me as 老大。 The one and only time she used the the term 老公 was in her last sms to say good bye after she passed immigrations.

This is indeed a clever move. 养兵千日,用兵一时

To me, before I can obtain a proper closure of this chapter, I feel that I need to know how she felt about me, whether she had genuine feelings for me or am I just a carrot head to her.
Bro, in times, there are questions where it is best left unanswered. 有些答案永远也不需要知道. If u so decided to bring a closure, does it matters to you?

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Its been about 9 hours since we parted so I am still disoriented, confused and behaving like a bloody love sick puppy. I have not slept at all last night and went straight to work after sending her off at the airport this morning so the mind is not functioning properly.


The feelings just felt so real and alive when I was with her.
Juz advice as one who has newly got (or is getting over this).. 80% of the things you mentioned above were done by my ZH GF too...

But ultimately, is there future ??? (I mean really think at it and dun imagine fairy tale or TVBS endings) If not, let go... else even if the feelings were real, it is not fair to her.

DUN PLAY WITH HER FUTURE if you cannot give one.

Time will heal... In case you wonder, I only had this issue with my ZH GF, rest of r/s.. I know where to draw the line. Now, my local GF of 6 years is still waiting for me so I dun know how.. I can't commit yet so life goes on.
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Juz advice as one who has newly got (or is getting over this).. 80% of the things you mentioned above were done by my ZH GF too...

But ultimately, is there future ??? (I mean really think at it and dun imagine fairy tale or TVBS endings) If not, let go... else even if the feelings were real, it is not fair to her.

DUN PLAY WITH HER FUTURE if you cannot give one.

Time will heal... In case you wonder, I only had this issue with my ZH GF, rest of r/s.. I know where to draw the line. Now, my local GF of 6 years is still waiting for me so I dun know how.. I can't commit yet so life goes on.
Bro, i think this issue is not about whether one can give a WL a future or not.
Its a good thing to think in this way n i respect you for it but have you ever tot from the other side of the coin?
Do you think they wanna have a future wif you really?
This is what all these stuff is all about.
If one wants to have a future wif you, they'll be toking about plans and so on.
If one really wants to have a future wif you, they wont continue to live on the same lifestyle with the so many carrot heads around them and say those are idiots and i only love you.

Think about it, they had more than 1 opportunity to call it quits and drop that life of theirs but did they? Answer is NO!
You're a cheongster bro, but i see your weakness in this game through all the posts you contributed. You have a heart & that's bad in cheonging dude.
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Think about it, they had more than 1 opportunity to call it quits and drop that life of theirs but did they? Answer is NO!
You're a cheongster bro, but i see your weakness in this game through all the posts you contributed. You have a heart & that's bad in cheonging dude.

I know lah bro... that is my weakness... fatal spot... maybe I need to get more seasoned loh...

DYBJ... I tend to err on the side of compassion so good or bad, bo pian... If bad then can only say suay loh...

Which is Y I cannot be emperor like DD7070.....
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I know lah bro... that is my weakness... fatal spot... maybe I need to get more seasoned loh...

DYBJ... I tend to err on the side of compassion so good or bad, bo pian... If bad then can only say suay loh...

Which is Y I cannot be emperor like DD7070.....
Well, at least i can assure u that this will also mean good karma for you in a way.......hey, aint everyday we get to know a SleazeBag with a heart ya...good on ya bro
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If one wants to have a future wif you, they'll be toking about plans and so on.
If one really wants to have a future wif you, they wont continue to live on the same lifestyle with the so many carrot heads around them and say those are idiots and i only love you.

Think about it, they had more than 1 opportunity to call it quits and drop that life of theirs but did they? Answer is NO!
You are right bro. No matter a WL, KTV gals, Pub gals, HC gals..., if they want a future with us, they will drop everything to be with us, even to the point that she will self-initiate on a reciprocated love. That is how much LOVE can moved a woman.

They are in honest fact, no difference from the average lady you see on the street, or even more committed. Cos in thier nature of work, it is bloody rare to find true love.
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You are right bro. No matter a WL, KTV gals, Pub gals, HC gals..., if they want a future with us, they will drop everything to be with us, even to the point that she will self-initiate on a reciprocated love. That is how much LOVE can moved a woman.

They are in honest fact, no difference from the average lady you see on the street, or even more committed. Cos in thier nature of work, it is bloody rare to find true love.
When one walks this road, they have already told themselves the golden rule....Luv or $$$$$
There are many instances where WLs do fall for their clients initially, but because of $$$$$, they rather bite the bullet & chase the $$$$$ and screw the love. So many times in fact i'm sure they're quite numb or totally can be bothered about the L word anymore.
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When one walks this road, they have already told themselves the golden rule....Luv or $$$$$
There are many instances where WLs do fall for their clients initially, but because of $$$$$, they rather bite the bullet & chase the $$$$$ and screw the love. So many times in fact i'm sure they're quite numb or totally can be bothered about the L word anymore.
I understand from some they are mostly victims of a very soured relationship/marriage back at home. Left with a deep cut wound, they had put aside relationship as part of the piority they seek. Once bitten, twice shy.

Also, from my own thoughts, inside thier heart they have been so hurt and felt being "used" that some cast away thier pride and diginity to go into this nature of work, thinking that "what else can be worst?", while with the same hurt, the piority has been shifted to money where they conclude that it is more reliable. And money seems to have a way to make ppl feel secure.

Just my guess. Pls verify my statement bro DYBJ as I do not want to give false statement to confuse those that are already in confusion.
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I understand from some they are mostly victims of a very soured relationship/marriage back at home. Left with a deep cut wound, they had put aside relationship as part of the piority they seek. Once bitten, twice shy.

Also, from my own thoughts, inside thier heart they have been so hurt and felt being "used" that some cast away thier pride and diginity to go into this nature of work, thinking that "what else can be worst?", while with the same hurt, the piority has been shifted to money where they conclude that it is more reliable. And money seems to have a way to make ppl feel secure.

Just my guess. Pls verify my statement bro DYBJ as I do not want to give false statement to confuse those that are already in confusion.
Opps, forget to add, as not to contradic my post in #370 and #372.
In any kind of encouters we hear of or experience in life, there will be always exceptions. True love can still be found in the entertainment industry. Like a bro mentioned, it is 9 out of 10. So are we that lucky 1??
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Pls verify my statement bro DYBJ as I do not want to give false statement to confuse those that are already in confusion.

Mai ani kwan leh...me not the authority on this matters.......

Anyways, yes n no.
Some but very few actually. Remember, quite a good number have BFs, husbands who jolly well know why they came....so it goes both ways.
I once knew a gal from a KTV that was suppose to be Ms Nice till after her coming to my place in Shanghai, gave me a rude shock.
She was a mother of 2...damn cant even tell and was a tai tai......was a kept woman of a taiwanese businessman......drove an Audi A6 and was like my taxi driver. I've stopped contacting her since that time.

They all come from all walks of life...some, like this Ms Nice I mentioned, I believe, is looking for the feeling that she so needed and lacks or just plainly, SEXCITMENT!
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[QUOTE=DO_YOU_BJ;3014085Mai ani kwan leh...me not the authority on this matters.......[/QUOTE]

Hehehe..
you our senior consultant, no salary one
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Hehehe..
you our senior consultant, no salary one
Joking.
Its voluntary bro.
Been there and the experience wasnt pleasant.
So, if i can, will do my best to pull those outta of such situations to save them the heartache that i went through
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