Tears For A PRC Prostitute

[ekemono]

IMHO, I felt that it was the good sex and "special" treatment that we percieved that has got us into a messy situation. These feelings are branded as such cos we do not know why we deserve it but in reality we are getting it. So it creates a desire to to be in it for as long as possible. we derive satisfaction of being belong to someone important as she is the one that feeds us with such good feelings.
(This is the citeria/conditions to fall into KC trap)

With this good feelings we live upon, we put too much focus on this "pleasure" until we are not able to recognise or foresee hurdles that lies ahead, where hurdles could take many form, such as deception, doubtful words, present marraige, financial capability, acceptance of her nature of work, the foundation that holds the relationship.
When you love like a raging bull you will ram thru all obstacles to be with her, even to the point of being unsensible, because your supply of good feelings are being threatened, so at that point in time you shut your ears to external advice and even your own sub-concious. This will help to explain why, men that are capable of displaying sensible judgement and maturity, who also foolishly but gladly risk all (money, marriage) for a PRC working lady that others brand as useless. (FYI, i dun brand them useless).
(This is the Toll we pay to travel alone the KC route)

But sooner than we expected, all good things must come to an end. The weakness are being clearly identified, and the hunter makes his(her) kill.
Attitude will change, boldness will show, agressiveness will set in. Depending on one's ass luck, the path ahead always break into two lanes; commitment or payment

Payment is clear cut. It will be agressive, unreasonable to the point that some bros has experienced, like an ernomous lump sum amount to start a business, or else in long term installment. The path of "payment" will somehow comes to a stop cos it is either the payer has got sick of it or that the payer cannot afford to pay anymore.
(This is for damage control of KC-trap)

But it is not as damaging as commitment.

Commitment mostly extend to single person, because there will not be no divorce to complicate the matter. One will thank his lucky star for his fortune found. It is the greatest sense of achievement, because you have thought that now you have permanently secured that "good feelings". But it is not so.
Because of the way we percieve things based on the condition of it, after a while this "good feelings" becomes a "neccessary feelings". Then after a long while again you start to wonder if this is really "good feelings" ?? We took for granted cos we know it is always there(at home) waiting for us. It is our imperfection.
Will it affect the marraige? Yes it will!.
If the commitment was made based on the "good feelings", then when this feelings died, what else is there to justify this marraige? So now we get to understand how some mindful folks had advice young ppl to take as long a time as they need to understand and appreciate the other parties before any commitment. Though sad to say such cases also can end up in the family court.

In my younger days I took the path of commitment, and who would have expected a broke like me ends up with a PRC ang pai at a KTV. My ego was so high the sky could not measure up to it. But little did I realised it took away both (to be fair to her) of our youth as a payment for this mistake. It took us 5 years after our divorce to accept our destiny and forgive each other, but it badly affected an innocent 9 year old child that are difficult to discipline under a broken family.
Even after the acceptance of our fate, we are each left to own devices, and the hard fought battle had took away my soul, until the Lord renewed it again.

I am still walking the path of commitment. I "not scare of dying?"
I dun know...I only know no matter which brothel house or nightspot I ended up in, after that the path to walking home is always alone. I ernestly find cheonging has lost its thrill more and more, and I dun want to walk home alone anymore.

To be honest in KC trap the result is predictable, but the execution methods is not. It comes in all forms and it does not comes in sequences. Kind bros shared thier tips and opinions are only based on either hear-say or personal experiences. It is good to know, but it is not the counter-measures. For an act of KC trap is like a contract, there is an offer and an acceptance. "Offers" comes in the form of sweet words, good sex, companionship, flattery, etc, while "acceptance" basically means we suck up to these "offers". Eliminating the offers are impossible as long as we exposed ourselves into that environment, so do we protect ourselves by not accepting an offer? It is easier said then done, given the fact that we are species that crave for pleasure and acceptance.
A cheongster's life will always be plagued with KC trap. Some chose to share it, and others hide it by putting up a strong front.

The fall of mankind in the days of Adam and Eve witnessed a similar contract between both, an offer and an acceptance. The female species Eve made the offer. The curse follows untill today.

Honestly speaking after spending all my youth and fortune away as a cheongster, I still dun have the "solution to kill them all". KC trap evolved itself as rapidly as the gals that are brought here into this trade. Can we really keep up? all the time? The only temporary defence is to be heartless. But then again, thru out a cheongster's career, he will eventually seek for higher level of thrills, charting into unfamiliar new territory, and that is when his temporary defence isn't sufficient to protect him anymore, cos "to be heartless" is only an attitude, not in-born. So it is penetrable. And I would like to repeat this again, we are species that seek pleasure and acceptance.

If I do made sense and the reader do read into the essence of the massage, one will realised the root cause is ourselves, simply because "we seek". Those working gals are not trash. They have to do what they have to do, and there is nothing wrong about it. With the same token, if we have to do what we have to do to complete a task in our 9-5 job, are we doing wrong and are we trash? I do not hope to comment on some remarks but won't we be making a mockery of ourselves if we are fucking the trash?

We do not need to kiss thier feet and worship them but we can KC them. As long as you are not intending to walk the path of commitment it will be fun, cos you dun have to worry if they buy your story or not. Moreover, a "proactive KC" puts us on equal platform with them. You can't play thier game if they dun play your game. But if you grab on tight the list of "Don'ts and Do's" guidebook and adapt a defencive role, the attacker has both useful hands in full concentration to attack!. So why not split them up and do some sparing.
Dun go and believe that only the gifted and sesoned cheongster can do it. Any cheongster with 2 cents worth can do it. BUT..., be prepare to loose sometimes.

Thanks again for enduring.

[colins]

Bro eke, splendid overview to the legendary "KC trap".

For the longest time, I've been saying that we are our own culprits for our fall into the KC trap, but you provided solid reasons as to why we do that.

Sometimes it is tough to define where KC trap ends and true-love relationship starts, until when shit happens. Shit happens in true-love relationship too, though the actions arising from the bad blood can ironically, be longer lasting.

I think as we come to terms with our needs, we will be much less liable for KC trap. Maybe singaporean guys do not really understand themselves as deeply, in our lives we have been chasing after illusions. Illusions that tell us that if we work hard enough to get what we want, we will get it. Some things are truly beyond our reaches, and we must reconcile with that fact first. Relationships with WL is one of those examples. Its like when I hear one of my cousins saying that he is finally able to save up for a car, that I realised that this is just typical singaporean living his singaporean dream. He earns 2k a month. Another cousin bought a 800k condo with a combined 6k pay. With that, they are so 'balanced' up in life that the changes in petrol price or a 1-2 points of interest rate can affect them drastically and force them to make contingency decisions.

By right, there is joy in owning 'big stuff' in life. But look at the tv now, people are scrimping and scrapping like scrooges to save electricity and water cost. Those people dun have house? Or they dun drive? Come on la, when you need to limit yourself to 2 hr of computer usage, save up enough bath water to flush your toilet, where do you have time to think of your own quality of life? If your boss, himself a scrooge in life, makes you work overtime to 'increase your work output', how can you not perpectuate this thinking but be a mini-scrooge yourself?

We are first world country, we seek first world luxury. That is natural. Now tell me about your story of your first world lifestyle. I am not trying to be political, Singapore is successful beyond imagination. And we do taste the fruit constantly, but if I say if you think ERP is sucking your blood then dun drive, do understand that I am speaking from a perspective of your personal choice. What is increasing in singapore is not life itself, but the cost of a quality lifestyle. It is something we seek but in that journey, have you ask yourself, "dude, how can I make you a happier person"?

We somehow do not ask ourselves regular who we are and what we want. Back to the context of KC, boy, we are a deprived lot. We thirst for it, period. We seldom ask, where we can get it? In fact, a lot of people I know dun even know they need it, becos they dun want it. Kinda ironic cos when the opportunity arises, most run and grab it. Then we fall into a KC trap again, we suffer then we curse. We say those people who gave it to us are trash, public toilets, whores and motherfucking cheats. But face it, given a choice, would you rather be the other party who has lied and cheated you? If yes, then you deserved everything. If no, be glad you that now know the price.

I believe we really need to sit down and ask ourselves what we want before we apply the 'fast hands fast legs' hurry-up-grab-it mentality. If sex is what you want, there are people in geylang who will help you. If KC is what you want, earn it from your love ones. Dun be lazy. Frankly, we still need to earn our KC from our wives and gfs, just that relationship with them is in such a way where you need to put in increasing effort, but get back little in short termed satisfaction. Anything that is short termed is not happiness, it is today's satisfaction. Please tell me I'm stupid to have written that cos I really feel that.

As humans, we all need 感情 in our lives. But if it is from places where you obviously did not earn it, or if it is seemingly given free, or where it simply do not have the power to exist, dun be greedy. No matter how good the girl is, she is not going to be yours. Only when you understand yourself and where your happiness lies, then everything belongs to you. Becos everything you need, is already yours.

Thanks for reading this excruciating long post.

[FL Lover]

Originally Posted by longwinter

ya la, true enuf. my local ex gf, l treated her so well, invested $$$ but no good returns oso.

of cos, if not the knife of the PRC gals wont spare ur life oso.

Agreed to certain measures. But One point to take note. Most bros are looking for love at the wrong place and wrong time. Why need to look for love at GL where the gals are mainly here for $$? Asking for troubles right..

The girls are not stupid. Do u think that they do not know what u want from them? Just part of their actings, my bro. End of the day when they need to go back to their homelands, all they do is to say THANK YOU FOR TAKING CARE OF THEM, GIVE U A FREE HUG OR MAYBE A FREE BONK and that's it.

Gods know. they might be doing the same to all other bros who have upped her before. REMB. GL Girls are not SAINT GERS... They can be bonked by ANYONE as long as he is willing to pay.

Hahaha.. She properly have seen more dicks than the number of pussy you bonked per day...

No offense to anyone.. Just been franked with Fls..

[FL Lover]

Originally Posted by colins

Bro eke, splendid overview to the legendary "KC trap".

If sex is what you want, there are people in geylang who will help you. If KC is what you want, earn it from your love ones. Dun be lazy. Frankly, we still need to earn our KC from our wives and gfs, just that relationship with them is in such a way where you need to put in increasing effort, but get back little in short termed satisfaction. Anything that is short termed is not happiness, it is today's satisfaction.

WELL SAID. I agreed with that. We should ask Boss to put this up as sticky to remind those who are married to appreciate their OCs and not start to have 2nd thoughts due to KC.

It takes me a long time to understand that the KC feeling by those FLs are not worthwhile to take them seriously. It is better to spend your efforts to yor OC and family. At least the investments are more "stable".

I am not trying to be a saint. The reminder is if we want to cheong, dont take those FLs too seriously. It will ruin yor family and kids in the long run. I have seen a few cases where the family is ruined because of the KC traps.

Afterall, we properly have to ask ourselves this qns. How much efforts did our OC put into the family?

[slider_72]

Originally Posted by ekemono

IMHO, I felt that it was the good sex and "special" treatment that we percieved that has got us into a messy situation. These feelings are branded as such cos we do not know why we deserve it but in reality we are getting it. So it creates a desire to to be in it for as long as possible. we derive satisfaction of being belong to someone important as she is the one that feeds us with such good feelings.
(This is the citeria/conditions to fall into KC trap)

I must be the odd one out. Perhaps for the other bros got KCed by the PRC girls, it was the girl who initiated the KCing. For me, it was the other way around; I was the one banging my head against the wall.

When I first met this girl, she treated me like any other customer. No special treatment or anything like that. As for good sex, let's just say I've had better. She was quite quiet and didn't talk much.

Looks wise while she is sweet and pretty, she is certainly no Miss Universe. Comparing her with others that I've seen before, I would say objectively that she is just above average-looking. I have seen and bonked quite a few model types before in the past.

Notwithstanding the above, the first time I set eyes on her, I felt a great affinity towards her. After meeting her, I was the one who probed and asked about her life back home and started trying to know her more. All of a sudden, I found myself in the office surfing the net to find out more information about her hometown, etc. In the first couple of weeks after our first meeting, she did not even make any attempts at being extra friendly with me.

Woe betide me for I was the one who attempted to breach the Great Wall of China that she had built around herself. It was only after a while that she started warming up to me.

In the initial period, we went out shopping once. She mentioned that she wanted to buy a new handphone as hers was very old (its true, the one she has is practically museum quality). So I brought her to the handphone shops to browse around. I was mentally prepared for her to pick one of the more expensive models and to hint that I should pay for it. Alas, after looking at the prices, she was shocked how expensive phones are in Singapore and pulled me out of the handphone shop. Incidentally she left Singapore without buying a new phone.

When I brought her to Grand Shanghai for lunch one day, all she ordered was a plate of vegetables and a bowl of rice.

While bro Eke suggests that the good feelings the girl gives to the man could have been the cause of the man falling into the KC trap, I wonder what was the cause of my downfall. Honest to goodness, I would say that she did not do anything to lead me on, and further, it was after a period of my showering her with heaps of attention that she started warming up to me.

Why I was so fixated on her? I honestly do not have any logical answer. In terms of sex, looks, attentiveness to me, behaviour, etc, etc, there is nothing about her that I can say is extraordinary. My only conclusion was that I owed her a huge emotional debt in our previous lives.

After sending a few smses on Saturday, she made no further attempts at contacting me. In my moment of weakness yesterday evening, I picked up the phone and called her. Alas the call went unanswered. I tried again last night but there was no signal. Eventually when I could get a signal at about 2230 hrs, her phone was switched off.

Perhaps she is avoiding me so that we will end this quickly, or perhaps the disappearing act is part of a HIGH HAND strategy. I know bro DYBJ will say that this is textbook stuff HIGH HAND strategy, letting the line loose for a while before reeling in the fish.

Let's see.

[aczeta76]

Originally Posted by slider_72

I must be the odd one out. Perhaps for the other bros got KCed by the PRC girls, it was the girl who initiated the KCing. For me, it was the other way around; I was the one banging my head against the wall.

When I first met this girl, she treated me like any other customer. No special treatment or anything like that. As for good sex, let's just say I've had better. She was quite quiet and didn't talk much.

Looks wise while she is sweet and pretty, she is certainly no Miss Universe. Comparing her with others that I've seen before, I would say objectively that she is just above average-looking. I have seen and bonked quite a few model types before in the past.

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Bro.. trust me. You are not alone..Same case between me and my ZH Ex-GF

I started it though I dunno Y she attracted me so since she was technically a 6.0 (with makeup) and (5.0 w/o) compared to Xiao Ping (Sianren) who is a 8.5 and LW who I feel is (7.5)

Figure also A only so things like this cannot judge one.

She din ask me for too much money also and there were times she cooked for me and yada-yada.

End of Day... is there a future!! If the is no end and persistance will only cause suffering then dun prolong it.

We owe a lot of people "KC" each day... some we dun remember.. We owe our parents oso hence muz always "go on the right path"... 苦海无涯，回头是岸

[Heart Break Kid]

Originally Posted by aczeta76

Bro.. trust me. You are not alone..Same case between me and my ZH Ex-GF

I started it though I dunno Y she attracted me so since she was technically a 6.0 (with makeup) and (5.0 w/o) compared to Xiao Ping (Sianren) who is a 8.5 and LW who I feel is (7.5)

Figure also A only so things like this cannot judge one.

She din ask me for too much money also and there were times she cooked for me and yada-yada.

End of Day... is there a future!! If the is no end and persistance will only cause suffering then dun prolong it.

We owe a lot of people "KC" each day... some we dun remember.. We owe our parents oso hence muz always "go on the right path"... 苦海无涯，回头是岸

Bro aczeta76 ..if you are single now you still can carry on with your ZH gf as long as every month you dun spend too much money.
On the flipside, you look for a proper gf & find normal true love (dun look for WL anymore)

[Heart Break Kid]

Originally Posted by justl00king

Thanks bro,

Should I go KTV to find my true love?(your sig)

Hi bro justl00king ..if you dun go KTV tell mi where can you find true love

[DRSG]

Originally Posted by slider_72

I must be the odd one out. Perhaps for the other bros got KCed by the PRC girls, it was the girl who initiated the KCing. For me, it was the other way around; I was the one banging my head against the wall.

When I first met this girl, she treated me like any other customer. No special treatment or anything like that. As for good sex, let's just say I've had better. She was quite quiet and didn't talk much.

Looks wise while she is sweet and pretty, she is certainly no Miss Universe. Comparing her with others that I've seen before, I would say objectively that she is just above average-looking. I have seen and bonked quite a few model types before in the past.

Notwithstanding the above, the first time I set eyes on her, I felt a great affinity towards her. After meeting her, I was the one who probed and asked about her life back home and started trying to know her more. All of a sudden, I found myself in the office surfing the net to find out more information about her hometown, etc. In the first couple of weeks after our first meeting, she did not even make any attempts at being extra friendly with me.

Woe betide me for I was the one who attempted to breach the Great Wall of China that she had built around herself. It was only after a while that she started warming up to me.

In the initial period, we went out shopping once. She mentioned that she wanted to buy a new handphone as hers was very old (its true, the one she has is practically museum quality). So I brought her to the handphone shops to browse around. I was mentally prepared for her to pick one of the more expensive models and to hint that I should pay for it. Alas, after looking at the prices, she was shocked how expensive phones are in Singapore and pulled me out of the handphone shop. Incidentally she left Singapore without buying a new phone.

When I brought her to Grand Shanghai for lunch one day, all she ordered was a plate of vegetables and a bowl of rice.

While bro Eke suggests that the good feelings the girl gives to the man could have been the cause of the man falling into the KC trap, I wonder what was the cause of my downfall. Honest to goodness, I would say that she did not do anything to lead me on, and further, it was after a period of my showering her with heaps of attention that she started warming up to me.

Why I was so fixated on her? I honestly do not have any logical answer. In terms of sex, looks, attentiveness to me, behaviour, etc, etc, there is nothing about her that I can say is extraordinary. My only conclusion was that I owed her a huge emotional debt in our previous lives.

After sending a few smses on Saturday, she made no further attempts at contacting me. In my moment of weakness yesterday evening, I picked up the phone and called her. Alas the call went unanswered. I tried again last night but there was no signal. Eventually when I could get a signal at about 2230 hrs, her phone was switched off.

Perhaps she is avoiding me so that we will end this quickly, or perhaps the disappearing act is part of a HIGH HAND strategy. I know bro DYBJ will say that this is textbook stuff HIGH HAND strategy, letting the line loose for a while before reeling in the fish.

Let's see.

Bro I have gone thru 2 marriages and both of my ex dont give the same kind of feeling I have with two special FLs that I am currently dating.My last ex is almost 10/10 looks and figure and not a local in fact a HK gal.The first one (7/10)that I know earlier is younger the second one(8/10) that I am wooing is older.Both good looking with good personality.I am going to decide for myself who to chose for future companionship of course if they are willing.I am going to forget about normal girls or women whose sexual aspect is unknown till you know them very well by then too late and kenna trapped.I am anti -social.I look at FLs with respect rather than disdain.Even if their job is fucking men they are still humans.To me fucking is like eating and shitting.We are animals afterall of course fucking is definitely more refined than shitting or peeing.To me the 'special feeling' the FLs have for you or you with them that you know is there with your heart and mind is more important to me than the fucking feeling or action.

I only have one life I better enjoy it now since I am free man now.

[ekemono]

Originally Posted by slider_72

I must be the odd one out.

Hmmm, indeed yours is a bit special.
But I need to point it out to you KC trap can be self induced, remember I have said that the root cause is ourselves.

KC trap can be expressive or non expressive, where non expressive is a like set of behaviour or the way an opposite sex carries herself, or it could be an attitude. Expressive behaviour I am referring to are action-based, like a typical real life example is Anqi from GuangDong by bro sparco. Her KC traps comprises of mushy sms and phone calls after the session. Such actions takes less than half an eye to identify them.

For your case, you have mentioned upon the 1st meeting you have instantly felt a great affinity towards her. I do not know what exactly it is, but lets say we teleport you back to that 1st meeting and I have changed her attitude to such that she keeps looking at her watch, she show you a black face, she closed her eyes and lie on the bed facing away and uptight as though you are a dirty old man about to force rape her.
Bro slider_72, will that affinity aka spark be there?

So for your issue, you are attracted to her by certain characteristic, behaviour, attitude, chrisma? I have to name them all because I haven't read what is it that you are attracted to her. Sometimes a pair of eyes can also do wonders without the mouth speaking a word.

Yours can be akin to those boy-next-door going after the girl-next-door, where there was no display of typical KC action from the female. But because of the limitation of the period of her existence to be here, the instant gratification of sex before love, that has altogether roll into a package called KC trap. The characteric of KC trap based relationship does not have enough time to solidified the foundation in which a relationship can be built upon, thanks to the period limitation of the existence of the other party. But interest level still shot up high because of the gratification of intimacy involved.
But when one of the party decided to quit for other higher piority, the other one is left strandled. This can also happened to a FL. It doesn't always just happen to us. The strandled party is high up there, he/she hasn't got anything(hope) to hold onto so he goes down, to a fall. The fall broke his fragile heart.

My explanation is focused on the relationship aspect of it. Pls understand KC trap does not only comprises or involved being a carrot-head. Some dude could be spending very little $ but still hurt as much as the ither dude that loose his fortune away

[slider_72]

Originally Posted by ekemono

For your case, you have mentioned upon the 1st meeting you have instantly felt a great affinity towards her. I do not know what exactly it is, but lets say we teleport you back to that 1st meeting and I have changed her attitude to such that she keeps looking at her watch, she show you a black face, she closed her eyes and lie on the bed facing away and uptight as though you are a dirty old man about to force rape her.
Bro slider_72, will that affinity aka spark be there?

The strange thing about this is that I felt the affinity towards her even before we had any physical contact.

The first time I laid eyes upon her, she was actually wholly engrossed by the TV. They were playing some Korean drama on the DVD player and she was sitting in another corner of the room away from me. I am sure she did not realised then that I was watching her. After I went back to the office that afternoon, I couldn't help but think of her so I went back to that joint again later on the same day.

When I arrived the second time, she was again sitting at one corner of the room minding her own business. Another senior WL there whom I patronised before tried very hard to cajole me to go into the room. I told the senior WL that I prefer the other girl. Haha, at that time, the senior's face turned black immediately. When she called out to my girl, my girl looked very surprised that I chose her instead. She thought I came back to RTF that senior.

You see, that strange feeling of affinity started even before we spoke with each other and certainly before we went into the room together. The first time we did it, it felt tender, comfortable and warm, like how it felt when you were with your girlfriend of many years. It was not of the mind-boggling or earth shattering kind.

The feeling of affinity started when I was in one corner of the room and she was in the other corner, totally oblivious to my existence. Now this is the part which totally defies all logic that I cannot explain or comprehend.

[colins]

Bro slider, take it as something that you owe to her since the day you met her. Believe it or not, her disappearance may somehow lessen your pain, and that action by itself if you take it simply, is her way of helping you overcome this pain.

Maybe it is not KC, maybe it is just a love lost. In the end, many of us can give you a thousand comments on who she is and who she is trying to do, but in the end, her objective may be akin to our objective all along, and that is to help you understand her statement that you two met 'in a wrong time at the wrong place'.

It is a love that shouldn't be and shall not be.

Get out of your shell and start a new life. Ironically, she might be the one who ultimately showed you that you have to change and add more colours to your lifestyle. And this time, without too much commercial sex.

[longwinter]

Originally Posted by justl00king

Agreed, rang a bell here

Met one, TCS super good.Held me tightly and cried till my T shirt all wet.Till now still unsure whether what she told me was true.

Same lo, thru out my cheonging, l oso encountered one gal tat hold me tightly and cried. Then after tat still say she feel good to me becos she tink l got lots of security, "an quan gan". l was tinking wah sure anot? no gals told me that before leh.

[ekemono]

Originally Posted by slider_72

The feeling of affinity started when I was in one corner of the room and she was in the other corner, totally oblivious to my existence. Now this is the part which totally defies all logic that I cannot explain or comprehend.

This is indeed something out of the ordinary. No wonder you had at upteem times wrote that "you owe her a debt in previous life".

The only logical explantion we can try to guess is the physical attraction.
Sometimes it does not neccessary takes a beautiful Ms. Universe to set our heart racing. Our lust are best at identifying sexy bosom clad chio bu, but the "eyes" in our heart are made to seek out avaerage looking gals that brings about a comfort to the heart and pleasing to the "eyes".

lets take an example. I give you Pamela Anderson. Whats the first thing on your mind? To me.., "Ohhh gosh, I so wanna bonk her now!" That is lust at work. Our physical eyes rec'd the image, the brain process it and the lust dept takes over from there.

Another gal now.
First of all, have you guys ever see decent plain but naturally beautiful gals that look..., so "motherly", so "wifey" quality. Then the very next thing you wanna look at is, is there a ring on her finger? You really hope to strike up a conversation with her. The more you steal glances at her from a corner, the more you felt good about it. I can't find the correct word to describe it, so can i use "heart-warming".
Apart from "beauty is in the eye of the beholder, beauty is also in the heart of the seeker".

So I need you to understand you took interest in her simply from how she looks, and her form of looks may have caught attention with the "eyes" of your heart.
there is nothing wrong with it, or with you. The only wrong is you met her at the wrong time.

Also, I have no rights to dictates how you spend your money. Buying her a good phone is correct, but bringing her to classy restaurant is not encouraging. I understand you like to pamper your loved ones and so does everyone else like me, but with a relationship that is not concrete stable enough to have already gone tru thick and thin, It will be better to pamper on things of absolute neccessary only.
I threw away my Viet gf semi-spoiled non camera phone and got her a $500 model phone. I did it for her without even asking for a bonk that night cos I see the phone as a very important object for a foreigner. Without one, it will be difficult for her to communicate with parents thousands of kilometers away. Anyway, we all wont be so cruel to just choose a $90 model over at 7-11 rite? But when we do buy things for them, it is very important to emphasize to them the reason for it. So now you get to understand the phone was a "must have".

The restaurant, IMHO, is "nice to have". I have no doubt bro Slider_72 can easily afford it, but we must understand the gal do not eat at classy restaurant everyday, so it is not a "must have". I am not trying to convince you to pack 1 x $3 chicken rick and share it. That is low class. But when we unconciously do it a few times with the fine dinning thingy, it raise the gal's expectation on us. Our approach may be for a good cause, but the perception may just come back to kill us in future.

Anyway, bro Slider_72, i apologise if I had been too nosey on the restaurant thing.

I see that you are still within the midst of some sms and phone calls. was it an attempt to communicate with her? I recalled there was advice of not doing it. Am I right? Anyway I didn't read enough to understand this area.

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Originally Posted by DRSG

Bro I have gone thru 2 marriages and both of my ex dont give the same kind of feeling I have with two special FLs that I am currently dating.My last ex is almost 10/10 looks and figure and not a local in fact a HK gal.The first one (7/10)that I know earlier is younger the second one(8/10) that I am wooing is older.Both good looking with good personality.I am going to decide for myself who to chose for future companionship of course if they are willing.I am going to forget about normal girls or women whose sexual aspect is unknown till you know them very well by then too late and kenna trapped.I am anti -social.I look at FLs with respect rather than disdain.Even if their job is fucking men they are still humans.To me fucking is like eating and shitting.We are animals afterall of course fucking is definitely more refined than shitting or peeing.To me the 'special feeling' the FLs have for you or you with them that you know is there with your heart and mind is more important to me than the fucking feeling or action.

I only have one life I better enjoy it now since I am free man now.

bro DRSG, I salute you for your courage.
Do you mind if I ask whether the FL you are dating is local or PRC ?