Tears For A PRC Prostitute

[glooper83]

Thx LoveMachine for sharing your experience with us. It looks like you've been in this field for pretty long and have experienced just about anything except "true" love which you just did recently. If i were you, i would also be very cautious about such a relationship.

But something in your post really struck me, you mentioned about how many sg guys are actually married to these prc, and that among them there were even quite a few white collar-ed working men. I used to think that i was the only desperado among my fellow people.

In fact, i had just stepped out of my isolated shell less than 1 month ago to explore the 'hidden' side of our nation. And i was 'hooked' up to the very first one i met. Perhaps its due to my inexperience, loneliness and naivety that i fell so much in love with her. And in my case, it seems like it is a one-sided affair. There is always this aura of uncertainty about these PRC FL that no one can really guess what their true intentions are.

She's 18, seven years my junior. A guy like me would never score with a Sg girl of her age and of her looks in all eternity. This was partly the reason why i liked her, the next is like you've mentioned. The thought of having her in bed every night after i get home from work is just too tempting to brush aside. The last reason is how chatty she was, that even though my command of chinese is quite bad, i managed to talk with her about almost anything. She actually got me interested in the chinese language and everything about china!

But about a week back, i wanted to take her out in the day to sightsee.. I thought it would cost nothing in the day, little did i know that i was quoted by her okt for $500 for 4 hours. It suddenly struck me that this infatuation was going nowhere. She also started telling me how much she like one ring she had seen which cost $800+ and she had no $$ to spare. All this sort of made me see clear as day that this was all about the money.

I was very sad about this but i just told myself to treat this as another one of my failed relationships and let go. I tried to keep myself occupied so that i would not think about her, i tried to tempt myself with other girls so that i would forget her. Ultimately what convinced me to let go was my bank account balance..

In my case, a relationship with that girl would seem almost hopeless. Firstly, My family and relatives would never accept her. Moreover, it is quite a close knit group and thus any actions that do not conform to their beliefs would be heavily questioned. Secondly, i have no idea on what step to take, i just graduated and do not have a stable income. She would be eying those LV bags which i cannot afford, i wouldnt be able to take it if she were to return to her job.

I feel that you are so much luckier than me, in terms of your experience with your girl. Treasure the love that you have in front of you while it lasts, but when its time to let go, be strong and move on. The SBF community will always be here for one another, i hope. Good Luck !

[Darkstorm]

Originally Posted by glooper83

Thx LoveMachine for sharing your experience with us. It looks like you've been in this field for pretty long and have experienced just about anything except "true" love which you just did recently. If i were you, i would also be very cautious about such a relationship.

But something in your post really struck me, you mentioned about how many sg guys are actually married to these prc, and that among them there were even quite a few white collar-ed working men. I used to think that i was the only desperado among my fellow people.

In fact, i had just stepped out of my isolated shell less than 1 month ago to explore the 'hidden' side of our nation. And i was 'hooked' up to the very first one i met. Perhaps its due to my inexperience, loneliness and naivety that i fell so much in love with her. And in my case, it seems like it is a one-sided affair. There is always this aura of uncertainty about these PRC FL that no one can really guess what their true intentions are.

She's 18, seven years my junior. A guy like me would never score with a Sg girl of her age and of her looks in all eternity. This was partly the reason why i liked her, the next is like you've mentioned. The thought of having her in bed every night after i get home from work is just too tempting to brush aside. The last reason is how chatty she was, that even though my command of chinese is quite bad, i managed to talk with her about almost anything. She actually got me interested in the chinese language and everything about china!

But about a week back, i wanted to take her out in the day to sightsee.. I thought it would cost nothing in the day, little did i know that i was quoted by her okt for $500 for 4 hours. It suddenly struck me that this infatuation was going nowhere. She also started telling me how much she like one ring she had seen which cost $800+ and she had no $$ to spare. All this sort of made me see clear as day that this was all about the money.

I was very sad about this but i just told myself to treat this as another one of my failed relationships and let go. I tried to keep myself occupied so that i would not think about her, i tried to tempt myself with other girls so that i would forget her. Ultimately what convinced me to let go was my bank account balance..

In my case, a relationship with that girl would seem almost hopeless. Firstly, My family and relatives would never accept her. Moreover, it is quite a close knit group and thus any actions that do not conform to their beliefs would be heavily questioned. Secondly, i have no idea on what step to take, i just graduated and do not have a stable income. She would be eying those LV bags which i cannot afford, i wouldnt be able to take it if she were to return to her job.

I feel that you are so much luckier than me, in terms of your experience with your girl. Treasure the love that you have in front of you while it lasts, but when its time to let go, be strong and move on. The SBF community will always be here for one another, i hope. Good Luck !

Maybe it could still work out between you and that China girl. The examples you have given have not convinced me that she just wants your money.

[glooper83]

I guess it could, i still keep in touch with her through sms but i can sense a sort of coldness in her replies. Not sure if its my sensitivity or what. Ultimately, i've told myself to be passive towards this and let what may come, come. I cannot afford to be hurt again, hurt so many times by sg girls, now prc.. anymore and i think i'll go ghey leowz... NAW... i dun like cocks...

[colins]

Well to me it does. Jewelry has great resale value back in China. Anybody who is sincere would be very careful with the mentioning of money, or any thing of value, to the guy she likes.

[glooper83]

Originally Posted by colins

Well to me it does. Jewelry has great resale value back in China. Anybody who is sincere would be very careful with the mentioning of money, or any thing of value, to the guy she likes.

Yup true.. I feel that she wouldnt do that if she really liked me. But then again, she did not specifically tell me to buy for her. Only mentioned to me that she saw so and so and like it alot. Well.. a good hint nevertheless.. haha

[lovemachine]

Originally Posted by ekemono

@ bro lovemachine,

Thanks for filling in the gap to let us deeper into the story.

I felt to cut short there're a few things you need to consider carefully.

1. Can you accept her past as WL? Cos you were fustrated over incident of her dolling up for work and all that. This type of thing if you cannot sincerely accept (not forgive ok, cos she is not wrong) next time when she marries you and during quarrel/bad mood you might bring up her past. And it is the surest way to kill a relationship.

2. She will still continue to like luxuries goods if she choose to be with you eventually, but on what level of spending we dun know. So can you still afford.. say a LV bag on birthday, some $100 dresses during weekend shopping? Sort of the like of spending power for an average executive single career woman.

3. Can she accept low pay hard work job in future? given her lower education. I am sorry to sound offensive in this area but she had put aside her diginity and pride in favor of easy money, with the fact that her family is doing well and does not need her to be in this line. And this type of easy money is VERY ADDICTIVE.

However your tots and decision, I hope you will understand that it takes alot of patient, love, hope and trust to pull thru this relationship to any happy ending. For all you know the day you invite a friend to your wedding, the friend might have been her customer in the past.

I feel if you are serious about considering her as a life long partner, you need to spent time alone weighing the pros and cons, digging out your hearts for sincere feelings. Then sit down and discuss with her, reconsile and see if her tots and feeling are "in-line" with yours for the benefit of this relationship.
Otherwise, it is better to move on.
Remember bro, ultimately in life, you have to take care of your own interest first.

hi, i have thought about all these and spoken to her about these while we were together too:

1. As a guy, its really crazy to fall for a pro (my thinking before meeting her) but this has subsided after knowing her as a person. but i cant promise myself that i wouldnt bring this up during a quarrelled. and honestly im pretty MCP, this has been a stumbling block in our r/s

2. she no longer go for luxury stuff now, i have seen her wardrobe but she does "ka" her other customers for gifts and money. this im not worried.

3. i have told her that with her education and her inability to speak english, she cant do any work here. she told me if we were to get married, she has enough to start a small shop and do what she wants. her main priorities is to stash aside 1m rmb, she already has a small apartment in Jilin for her parents fully paid up and a small shop selling cloths in harbin. so financially she claims she is fairly ok.

for life long partner, honestly i now believe she does like me but the chances are very very slim. i mean culture wise we are very very different and im just a normal middle class singaporean - and i believe i can get a decent singaporean girl (my first preference) and for this, im really unsure as even before i met her, i was more concerned about my career to worry about women, but her looks and femininity won me over.

[lovemachine]

Originally Posted by X_plorer

Bro Heart Break Kid

Thanks for your comment.. Cheers!!

Bro Roamersg,

You are right. There are still good PRC gals in Singapore.. I've just encounter 1 but only too bad that I'm married, otherwise she would be my ideal wife.

Bro lovemachine,

Dun be too sad now.. Let me tell you a short story of mine encounter with this PRC gal which i mention to Bro Roamersg, it happens to me only 2 days ago. It is really an un forgettable day..


I know this PRC from a chinese restaurant, I've been there for quite a long period of time, around a year plus. Then got 1 night, i saw this new PRC waitress working there. Just as per normal, having my dinner there with my wife and my baby. She looks quite petite in size, average looking but sweet when she smile. After having meals there for a few times, which everytime maybe chat with her and other waitresses also since I'm a regular there and most of them they also know me. She jokingly ask "Can you bring me around in Chinatown or Orchard if you can spare the time because from the day she reach Singapore till now, I've been to the working place nearby only."(because she know my office is near there that's why she ask me that question) As for me, i replied "No Problem" And i gave her my namecard and ask her to call me.. Of course there are many details in the mid of from the 1st meet till the day she ask me, at 1st also didn't talk at all, only after around 1 - 2 months time then got talk more..

But waited for 2 months before she called me. We meet up and which she told me the purpose of calling me is that she is bidding goodbye to me because she is flying back to hometown as she had quit her job and she would like me to bring her go around Chinatown for a while because she do not know the way to roam. As se has been to a few places of interest with her friends the past few days only after she had quit. So i thought of bringing her to look around Singapore. She agreed to my suggestion.

So i bring her to see scenery of Singapore, travel to quite a few places. Mt Faber, Sentosa, Vivocity, East Coast, Labrador Park. She told me she likes to look at the sea, so brought her to all these places. She was very grateful to me that i bring her to these places which she had never been before and she has totally change her opinion of Singapore because she is always at workplace from morning till night everyday.

She told me her problems of her work and many others. She likes Singapore but wanted to find another Job here but to no avail. She wanted to make full use of the "Uni" cert but unable to speak English, so it is difficult for her to find an office position.

Through a lots of conversation then begin to know her a bit more, she is those type who is very independant. She didn't ask for her parents help even she needs of more funds to come Singapore again to look for jobs, but instead going back hometown to work and study some courses, save some money before coming again. I've offered to help her but also rejected.

Somehow after a long day, the last destination was east coast park. we sat at a beach facing the sea. Then she doze off and drop to my shoulder. At this point of time, how many guys can tahan this beautiful scene just right in front of you. I also begin to like her after a day with her, and never seen a gal becoming a little gal after seing so many places, looking so sweet and adorable. Just like seeing your gf enjoying herself at the beaches. English not so good, dun now how to describe more.. She is also very thoughtful and understanding type which is my ideal wife type, she really makes me think that i've married too early and regretfully. My marriage also not those courtship type, and very love each other then married type.. Mine is very complicated.. but since i'm married, whether very love or not, i must also take up the responsibility to feed my family and my wife's family in Viet..

She really makes me feel so great being with her for the whole day. eg like during courtship with my ex which was donkey years back.. really love and miss the feel...

Till now, i also dun have her contact number as Singapore's line has been cancel, also for hometown. When she go back apply already then can give me.

Though nothing happens between me and her the whole day, but the feel with her is just too great, it is not only sex will have this kind of feel..

Out of typical 5 "C" which Singapore gals want for their husband, i already have 3, and the 4th and 5th might be within 3 - 4 years only. I should say
i should be contented but i would say money cannot really makes a person haapy same as the day i've spent with her. Of course, without money.. GONECASE also..

So bros out there, what is conclusion in your mind? It's up to your thinking. As for me, maybe in the future. If i've a day to spent with her again not as a friend only but as lovers. I think if kill me after that. I'll not regret.. Anyway, i think that day is also one of the happiest day of my life. Even earning your 1st $10k in a month also not so happy..

Hi Xplorer,

i can understand where you are coming from. Money is not everything, but its is almost everything.

And for me, the happiest times in my lives were time spent with my family, gfs and buddies. And these didnt require much money.

Also, im a subscriber to the fact that no-money = no-honey. And being someone who loves to fuck, this is my main motivator for making money. Sex is low in my maslow hierarchy of needs.

But many a times, when i see simple people on the street being so lovey dovy, (im not rich myself but doing ok), they seem to be enjoying a simply but happy lives.

I know how practical this world is but i really cant help ponder and hope that if there were a girl who were serious about me and accepts me now - how grateful i would be. Cos i know a few more years when im more settled - i wouldnt give much shit to women who likes me for let say my career or money (that is if i reach there).

so this girl does touch my heart in this sense. But as with all things in life, there is no free lunch, you take some - you lose some.

its still better to have money. and by then (if i reach my goals that is), with money , i can always pretend to be poor and test the girls out.

until then for now, this girl does really touch my heart.

[lovemachine]

Originally Posted by Jamester999

Hi lovemachine

thanks for feeling in the gap ! despite u being busy now.

now THAT makes me feel like an asshole lOL

I apologised for the previous unfriendiness.(I could put it in a more friendly way)

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Regarding the brutal frankness she told u in post #65
It must be damn painful.

if i were u, I be very careful about decisions right now.

To me,love is one thing. and whether or not it will last and
you can really live with the person and accept what she is (for life), is ANOTHER thing.
that's what marriage means. (at least to me)

You need to be really clear on what sort of person she is deep down
and then be honest with urself.
- can u accept it the way her pesonality is now for the rest of your life if u 2 ended up together.
- can u accept along with all the future stress of a r/s with a EX-WL like other bros mentioned here.

*she likes u now doesn't means she wont run away one day.
what you are right now, is what makes she likes u.
if one day, things gets sour, and ur attitude todays the r/s changes, she may leave u.

anyway right now, i believe is not a question of 'SHE LIKE U OR NOT' liao.
well i'm sure we all believe that 80% is true feelings.
Now is decision time. can you go ahead with this r/s in the name of love.


THIS IS FCKING TOUGH BRO.

I also dunno how to say superb stuff to help u much.
all i know is give minimal advice lah.
cannot help you on ur decision.
but decide without any reGRET !
then god may just help u along the way lOL


pss. sometimes we think and measure too complicatedly. and in fact, things are quite simple in real life.
before u knew it, things are smooth sailing with little problems.
or it could be the other way round.

think just enough (not too much) n decide wisely with both ur brain and ur heart.
and decide without regret.
at least u in the end no regret

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thanks for ur extremely good info on post #66

good luck to u !

no prob, theres no need for apologies. :P

[lovemachine]

Originally Posted by glooper83

Thx LoveMachine for sharing your experience with us. It looks like you've been in this field for pretty long and have experienced just about anything except "true" love which you just did recently. If i were you, i would also be very cautious about such a relationship.

But something in your post really struck me, you mentioned about how many sg guys are actually married to these prc, and that among them there were even quite a few white collar-ed working men. I used to think that i was the only desperado among my fellow people.

In fact, i had just stepped out of my isolated shell less than 1 month ago to explore the 'hidden' side of our nation. And i was 'hooked' up to the very first one i met. Perhaps its due to my inexperience, loneliness and naivety that i fell so much in love with her. And in my case, it seems like it is a one-sided affair. There is always this aura of uncertainty about these PRC FL that no one can really guess what their true intentions are.

She's 18, seven years my junior. A guy like me would never score with a Sg girl of her age and of her looks in all eternity. This was partly the reason why i liked her, the next is like you've mentioned. The thought of having her in bed every night after i get home from work is just too tempting to brush aside. The last reason is how chatty she was, that even though my command of chinese is quite bad, i managed to talk with her about almost anything. She actually got me interested in the chinese language and everything about china!

But about a week back, i wanted to take her out in the day to sightsee.. I thought it would cost nothing in the day, little did i know that i was quoted by her okt for $500 for 4 hours. It suddenly struck me that this infatuation was going nowhere. She also started telling me how much she like one ring she had seen which cost $800+ and she had no $$ to spare. All this sort of made me see clear as day that this was all about the money.

I was very sad about this but i just told myself to treat this as another one of my failed relationships and let go. I tried to keep myself occupied so that i would not think about her, i tried to tempt myself with other girls so that i would forget her. Ultimately what convinced me to let go was my bank account balance..

In my case, a relationship with that girl would seem almost hopeless. Firstly, My family and relatives would never accept her. Moreover, it is quite a close knit group and thus any actions that do not conform to their beliefs would be heavily questioned. Secondly, i have no idea on what step to take, i just graduated and do not have a stable income. She would be eying those LV bags which i cannot afford, i wouldnt be able to take it if she were to return to her job.

I feel that you are so much luckier than me, in terms of your experience with your girl. Treasure the love that you have in front of you while it lasts, but when its time to let go, be strong and move on. The SBF community will always be here for one another, i hope. Good Luck !

hi you gotta be careful on this, later i will write about the tricks they use to rip singaporean guys off, esp the emotional aspect of it.

[lovemachine]

The Tricks

Before you read beyond this point, i would like to discharge any liabilities and emotional backlash that you might incur should you decide to use my information as a guide to your "game". Do not come back and zap me and curse me or my family as i have written this in the best of goodwill for everyone! Also let your mind do the thinking - not your heart. Dun even trust your eyes and ears when dealing with WL, sounds too extreme? Well basically just put your self interests first.

Over the last 8 months plus, i have met many of my gf's friends and overtime, as they addressed me as jie-fu / mei-fu(brother in law) as many think we will eventually get married. Their guard against me wore down and i hear from them first hand accounts of some of their tricks and how they work. To the experienced WL killers here, you probably already know them, to the rest of us, it serves as a "protection", just in case a commericial fuck turns into a torrid love experience (where only you love her).

1. They profile singaporeans.
Im sure many of us know the KTV, masseurs, WL might ask us, how old we are, what we do etc. And stop there - just short of asking us our salary. This we know, what we dun know is that most of them (those who wanna make a carrot head out of singaporeans) share this information. In my opinion, they have a very established network of intelligence! Not only they talk about it when they meet up, when they meet a new potential carrot head - they CALL ONE ANOTHER to get info. And rest assure, they are a united lot here in SG. In fact, they often asked me based on age, education, industry and job scope, they want me to tell them how much their carrot head earn per month! and sorry bros, sometimes i do tell the truth. So if you wanna date a WL and you are the type who is emotionally in control - by all means go ahead and play - but dun let your ego get the better of you - manage their expectations, in fact DO NOT play up your salary, be humble as we should - no matter who we are dealing with WL or not.

2. With that info, they will start to profile you - meaning either you are serious about them, or you are just trying to fuck around with them. And trust me, serious to them means a relationship that ends up in a marriage (so they get leave china and migrate to a better place). If you are trying to fuck around with them (free sex), depending on how season you are - i heard heard singaporeans who tried to be a "player" ending up very poor (some in debts) and other singaporeans who manage to "cheat" WL of money! (Yes we have fucking singaporean bastard guys too who know how to get their ways around WL's tricks.

For e.g., if you let them know (knowingly or not) that you earn 3k per month. They prolly expect you to spend $500 at least on them. And how do they arrive at this figure? Not only they profile our income, they know the standard of living here very well. I was surprised to know also how fast even those new comers to singapore learn of all this (remember they share this info). For e.g., they know how much you have to pay in installment based on the car you drive (and also if you are driving a OPC).

To them (in fact any other girls), they know that if you are serious, you would spend on them. This is a pre-requisite for dating girls.

Note: For richer guys (i cant define this quantitatively here), if you are doing far better than the rest of the guys, the girls wont be serious about you too. Reason? In my own opinion, many of them have humility and know they given that you know their background, you would not settle for them (marry them), the most they can get out of you is economic gains.

For the average joe out there, if you are an average income earner with no car, if you dun look like crap (thats what they said), and VERY IMPORTANTLY you have a fairly good command of mandarin, you do stand a chance. Reasons?

a. If you are an average joe, the pretty WL DO KNOW that you have to do a trade off. For e.g., the average joe in Singapore is NOT going to get a pretty Singaporean girl, but if he is willing to trade off and bear with the fact his gf/wife is a WL, he can potentially get the pretty WL (most of us probably fall into this group). And contrary to popular beliefs, almost ALL the WL i met (disclaimer: those on 1 year past), they either have had a SERIOUS sg bf or still have a SG bf. The rationale behind this? It is easier for them to get someone from a developed country to take care of them (and in my own opinion - they are not that materialistic if they really like you) than to continue working in this line for money. They are women after all - needing guys to take care of them. Ok please read whatever i say here carefully and not jump into anything, reason? While it is true that those WL i met do want serious bf (note: those on 1 year VISA at least, as those with short term needs to make the money fast), for every pretty WL (note: pretty), there are at least tens of singaporean guys going after her, so competition is stiff and luck counts. Whether you wanna play - or just want some companionship - you need luck to succeed.

Of course, the above is some basic that they have, what im going to share below will be in details of signs that there is a chance she might like you:

1. Their first profiling does start with looks, this doesnt mean you have to look gorgeous for them to like you. I mean decent is decent. And its up to their own taste and preference to like you. This - we have no control as with dating other girls. But if you really dun look good (i feel i dun have the rights to define this), chances are - they are trying to slaughter you.

2. Going out with you (not for fucking). If they decide to go out with you for dinners etc (without paying them for their time that is!), chances are yes - they might be interested (in you or your money). This is becos all the pretty WLs get a lot of calls from guys here and competition is stiff. And if they agree to your date, congrats you COULD have just survived the first round of competition.

3. You have a higher chance if you have a good command of chinese and if you dun talk about how singapore is a better place than china. Knowingly or unknowingly, many of us failed to recognise this:

a. Its not exactly that they think its cool of you if you speak mandarin. Apart for the sake of communicating, in the WL's opinions, everytime a singaporean starts to get stuck in an english word (unable to translate it into mandarin), they also drop this one-liner "do you understand?". To them, they see it as an insult. So if you hold a proper conversation in mandarin (meaning you can hold a conversation in simple mandarin without substituting a word in english), you just passed the test. For me, i would like to think my mandarin is good (thats why my WL told me) and during my school days, i do have a fairly decent understand of chinese history and culture too.

b. Dun hanky panky them on a date. This is a sure way to end everything fast. Just because they work in this line doesnt mean their clients can touch them when going on a date. Please remember that they too want to be treated like princess (basic expectations of any other decent girls too). The last thing they want if your hands all over them

c. Dun play up your status. From what i observed from their conversations, many guys who dated them and failed, all of them make this mistake : Just because they work as pros doesnt make you a being higher in status than them. They take their job like any other job (yes they really think so), and we should not be expected to be held in "high regards" simply they work as commercial sex workers. Basic lesson in life: Respect has to be earned! Regardless of race, religion, nationality and your job!

d. You have to pay for them: Ok this is tricky, why? The question is about how much you can afford, what to buy (what not to). To the best of my knowledge, instead of me deciding for you how much you can afford (which is not possible), let me share with you instead (more practical), what they think you should buy for them.

- Groceries. Ok this is something we cant appreciate as in Singapore, chances are most of us live with our parents till we get married. For them, they usually move out at a young age to work. And buying groceries for your gf is a romantic thing (this is what they do in china). And remember, if you are dating them, dun impose your singaporean culture upon them.

- handphone, many of them think its practical - for me, if their handphone is spoilt, yes else personally i wouldnt buy. Its up to you.

- Going on dates, ok let say you want to bring them on a date on the first few times and while you want to pay, but dun wannt burn a hole. Going to Bugis Junction is a favourite pastime for them (its near geylang) and for mid to higher end stuff - its available in Bugis Junction, for budget stuff, its available across the road at Bugis Village. Bring them to both places and relax. And note: If you are a miser, there is no point in bringing girls anywhere.

[lovemachine]

e. During your conversation with them, many singaporeans have the misconception that china is "bad" (ok i cant define this very well but bad in terms of backwards, uncivilized, corrupted etc). If you are too amercianized (thinks that China is the GREAT SATAN), forget bout dating a mainland chinese. Most of them are very patriotic. For e.g., telling them that taiwan should be independent is a sure way to end your r/s with them pre-maturely. Whether for fun or for serious r/s (in dating a mainland chinese, not just a W/L). personally the most basic knowledge you should have includes:

The 4 Great Chinese Literary:
1. Journey to the West (西游记)
2.Dream of the Red Chamber (红楼梦)
3.Romance of The Three Kingdoms (三国演义)
4.Water Margin or Outlaws of the Marsh or All Men Are Brothers or The Marshes of Mount Liang (水浒传)

A few recites of poems from Tang Dynasty would make her pussy wet (cos you are singaporeans!)

Very strong belief that Taiwan should return to China soon and uphold a One-China belief.

That this century (or millennium) belongs to China.

Most singaporeans dont have this, if you spend a week and wiki all this information, the mere mentions of the above alone will make their legs go weak that you are indeed special (understand their culture and beliefs).

For me, i already knew the above and also have a pretty decent understand of their political problems, cultures, communist govnt in china etc which does " impress " them a little as im singaporean.

Ok, before i deviate too far, here are some hints that they might drop if they are interested in you (but bear in mind this can be a double edge sword).

1. They let you know where they stay in geylang
2. They dun make you pay too much for them and ask you for gifts (to me i think simple gifts here and there always spice up a relationship)
3. They dun accept payments when you fuck them (but pls give them something in return in kinds if not they will think you are trying to take advantage).
4. They ask you what your plans in singapore are
5. They ask you to go back to china with them

Basically its a trust thing if they share very private info with you as with that info you can really screw them if you want to.

[lovemachine]

The list goes on and becos i gotta go for my work, i will share other info here:

From my info above, im not encouraging you to marry / date a WL, its a personal thing, pls if you do intend to do so after serious consideration, then i hope you will find my info useful.

Apart from marriage, many of those WL honestly speaking - in my own opinion are very poor things in SG. Yes we can go about scrutinizing their jobs, but honestly speaking, as their patron, i feel im probably just as "cheap" as them. And many of them have to live in fear of being caught and exploited by their MF (i wont go into details). And honestly, as singaporeans, if our forefathers never came to nanyang, we would most probably be as poor as them. The same blood does run in our veins.

There are many others who date local guys knowing that the prospect of marriage being slim, but they do it anyway to get the care and concern they want. If you can determine that they are not trying to cheat you, do treat them nicely and give them a good time (not just in bed but emotional support) if you have the money and time to spare.

And by the way, for my case, i was on the line with her for 3 hours last night (before i typed this) and she wants a "trunce" with me.

We have been quarrelling so much that we dun feel happy together. But its ok, as with any other relationships, 99% of these starts out beautifully and ends up crappy (our gfs and wives will grow old and naggy at the end of the day). But the memories stay.

and for her, 99% i cant offer her marriage, and knowing that there are so many guys going after her, by holding her with me, im denying her of her chance to get a decent guy (she may not, but with me, most probably she will not) as im quite a possessive guy towards my gfs.

[X_plorer]

Originally Posted by glooper83

Thx LoveMachine for sharing your experience with us. It looks like you've been in this field for pretty long and have experienced just about anything except "true" love which you just did recently. If i were you, i would also be very cautious about such a relationship.

But something in your post really struck me, you mentioned about how many sg guys are actually married to these prc, and that among them there were even quite a few white collar-ed working men. I used to think that i was the only desperado among my fellow people.

In fact, i had just stepped out of my isolated shell less than 1 month ago to explore the 'hidden' side of our nation. And i was 'hooked' up to the very first one i met. Perhaps its due to my inexperience, loneliness and naivety that i fell so much in love with her. And in my case, it seems like it is a one-sided affair. There is always this aura of uncertainty about these PRC FL that no one can really guess what their true intentions are.

She's 18, seven years my junior. A guy like me would never score with a Sg girl of her age and of her looks in all eternity. This was partly the reason why i liked her, the next is like you've mentioned. The thought of having her in bed every night after i get home from work is just too tempting to brush aside. The last reason is how chatty she was, that even though my command of chinese is quite bad, i managed to talk with her about almost anything. She actually got me interested in the chinese language and everything about china!

But about a week back, i wanted to take her out in the day to sightsee.. I thought it would cost nothing in the day, little did i know that i was quoted by her okt for $500 for 4 hours. It suddenly struck me that this infatuation was going nowhere. She also started telling me how much she like one ring she had seen which cost $800+ and she had no $$ to spare. All this sort of made me see clear as day that this was all about the money.

I was very sad about this but i just told myself to treat this as another one of my failed relationships and let go. I tried to keep myself occupied so that i would not think about her, i tried to tempt myself with other girls so that i would forget her. Ultimately what convinced me to let go was my bank account balance..

In my case, a relationship with that girl would seem almost hopeless. Firstly, My family and relatives would never accept her. Moreover, it is quite a close knit group and thus any actions that do not conform to their beliefs would be heavily questioned. Secondly, i have no idea on what step to take, i just graduated and do not have a stable income. She would be eying those LV bags which i cannot afford, i wouldnt be able to take it if she were to return to her job.

I feel that you are so much luckier than me, in terms of your experience with your girl. Treasure the love that you have in front of you while it lasts, but when its time to let go, be strong and move on. The SBF community will always be here for one another, i hope. Good Luck !

Bro glooper83,

What you are mentioning now seems like it happens to me in the past before.. PRC W.L. always like this.. I tell you 1 incident, or many a few incidents.. I'm always scared to knw gals from outside be it how to know. But maybe after some drinking which boost your courage.. A few incidents after drinking, i went to know the gals, but so damn unlucky, always get to know W.L., i also dun know why, even at non red light district also kena.. Then in the end, they also looking at money only..

Bro, you are starting your career life, i think better buck up a bit, till you had your stable income, bought your car, maybe at that time is easier liao..

Some PRC gals think that we are easy target but they will just try and try till they get 1.. So their fishing skills would be getting better and better.. And i'm adopting fuck and forget style, otherwise you might end up paying more for just a W.L...

[ekemono]

Originally Posted by lovemachine

and i believe i can get a decent singaporean girl (my first preference)

Bro,

Just in case.....

FYI, in terms of love-relationship, some SG gals can be worse than other nationalities. Never ever use a SG gal as a yardstick.

In terms of earning a living here; while the ability to do so is one matter, but the ability to manage one's spending is another matter.

NOTE: my comment carries no offence to bros with SG GF or OC, but is base purely on my personal experiences.

[X_plorer]

Originally Posted by ekemono

Bro,

Just in case.....

FYI, in terms of love-relationship, some SG gals can be worse than other nationalities. Never ever use a SG gal as a yardstick.

In terms of earning a living here; while the ability to do so is one matter, but the ability to manage one's spending is another matter.

NOTE: my comment carries no offence to bros with SG GF or OC, but is base purely on my personal experiences.

Bro ekemono,

You are damn right.. That's why i didn't maried a sg gal.. They must be thinking they are so great.. A lot of SG gals out there just looking for 5 Cs husband and bf, people with high end cars, how many of them are really earning high income, whereas these sg gals they themselves are earning not very high income.. But 1 important things is, not all the sg gals, but i would say quite a lot, especially office gals, and those working in big organisation, thinking they are very big but in fact nothing to boost about.. Even they are manager, supervisor, so what unless they are the CEO, VP etc.. so their circle of friends also not the same, in fact the higher their position, they are not looking upon 5 Cs, but in fact true love.

Previously when i just finished my studies and awaiting for NS, i also kena this kind of gals. I really remember 1 phrase which she told me till now.. At that time, i was driving my dad's old car as he change a new car already. I've been fetching her to and fro work everyday, and bloody shit, she work in Raffles Place, the ERP charges can kill liao.. After a period of time, my car was sold away, as it is also near to scap. Then i told her i will pick her up in a van, but she said dun ever drive this kind of vehicle to fetch her. After broke up, quite a period of time later. I drove my friend new Merc and call her. She was shock when i picked her up, she thought that i bought, and immdiately that next day called me up to pick her for a ride..

Till date now, i still remember this which really boost my morale and finally made a bit of results in my career life, even if I'm able to afford a BMW or whatever car, it doesn't matters. Anyway if the car can brings me from Pt a to Pt B, that's it. But of course a more decent car on the road.. But anyway, i just sold my normal car and change to a weekend car.. See no purpose to drive, but having a weekend car to standby just in case. Taking MRT could be a enjoyable process, got so many pretty gals to look at..

Thanks to her that i able to climd up to this stage, though not a very high income, but able to feed my family, buy my car, and house later all by myself, i think that should be enough for me. Leading a normal life with no financial stress is good enough liao..