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[Rickey]

Originally Posted by Johnbass

Another poor performance by Fernandes.
Too many dead weight in the team.
Hope to see new blood in Jan transfer window.

If u look at the video footage of them celebrating Rustford goal ...u will see that Bruno looks as if he just woke up from sleep ...totally different from those 4 matches they played under RVN...seems like they prefer RVN than Amorim...INEOS made a big mistake ...they shd let RVN be caretaker manager n see his performance 1st...if he can't win any of those 4 matches then approach Amorim

[lacoruna69]

Originally Posted by Rickey

If u look at the video footage of them celebrating Rustford goal ...u will see that Bruno looks as if he just woke up from sleep ...totally different from those 4 matches they played under RVN...seems like they prefer RVN than Amorim...INEOS made a big mistake ...they shd let RVN be caretaker manager n see his performance 1st...if he can't win any of those 4 matches then approach Amorim

Because he know he got a boss who is same nationality.
So he knows he will confirm start and also keeps his Captain armband.
Same goes for his compatriot.

SJR sees RvN no up mah. Also because he was recruited by botak, who is Dutch. So if keep him long term, he will gives other problems.

Amorim was chosen because of his rapid results as shown with SCP.
年轻天才教练 tag.
So first match against relegation team, cannot win and could have lost if not for Onana. I knew Ipswich will score at some point of time.
(On another note, Onana probably is the best player for the pussies against Ipswich, my opinion)
The club also pays release clause for early release of Amorim.

So, the old problems still come back to haunt him.

It is the way the pussies just switch off and let the opponents dictate the play that worries me.
Every ball they lose, they never try to get back the ball and contented to let them come forward.
Dalot again....leaves big space for other teams to exploit.
Same old problems that needs to be fixed.

Probably the good thing is Amorim started Amad...but then, Amad got to show his talent already under RvN.

Same say the players are trying to get used to a different formation.
Also true.

Need to give some time to Amorim and his team.

[Rickey]

Originally Posted by lacoruna69

Because he know he got a boss who is same nationality.
So he knows he will confirm start and also keeps his Captain armband.
Same goes for his compatriot.

SJR sees RvN no up mah. Also because he was recruited by botak, who is Dutch. So if keep him long term, he will gives other problems.

Amorim was chosen because of his rapid results as shown with SCP.
年轻天才教练 tag.
So first match against relegation team, cannot win and could have lost if not for Onana. I knew Ipswich will score at some point of time.
(On another note, Onana probably is the best player for the pussies against Ipswich, my opinion)
The club also pays release clause for early release of Amorim.

So, the old problems still come back to haunt him.

It is the way the pussies just switch off and let the opponents dictate the play that worries me.
Every ball they lose, they never try to get back the ball and contented to let them come forward.
Dalot again....leaves big space for other teams to exploit.
Same old problems that needs to be fixed.

Probably the good thing is Amorim started Amad...but then, Amad got to show his talent already under RvN.

Same say the players are trying to get used to a different formation.
Also true.

Need to give some time to Amorim and his team.

Yalor, favouritism again like the baldy always playing Antony ahead of Amad etc, etc...no, tats not wat I mean by INEOS keeping Dutch RVN at the club tgt with Portuguese Amorim....one chicken one duck....maybe SJR n INEOS r so fed up with the botak n this dutch group of pple

Portuguese league is vastly different from the premier league just like the Dutch league is a world of a difference with the EPL...doesn't mean that if u win titles n trophies there u will surely do the same in the EPL which is very much competitive ..the hierarchy doesn't seem to learn from the ETH experience..another thing is many of the epl players r very lazy n play the way they like themselves ai mai ai mai n not for the badge prolly knowing the club can't do anything to them like the way they sack their manager

yes, same old problem as b4...u r right for the red pussies nothing really changed except they hv a new manager....that's why I say Amorim could be ETH V2 if he continues to play with this group of lazy n timid players till the end of season....they will throw him under the bus also ...Amorim must get rid of the deadwoods in January n bring in better players if he wants to win titles n trophies in epl....but the problem is the management got no more money to buy new players in January unless they sell 1 or 2 of the existing ones likely Case or Erikssen

sorry, there is no such thing as patience for football managers..lose or draw many games consecutively, n the club hierarchies will fire their manager...cannot wait until end of season when they r relegated to Div 2 just like Steve Cooper of Leicester is the 2nd victim of the sack race....next to be sacked will be J Lopetegui of West Ham...he is also asking for time till end of season to prove himself...by that time, may be too late...the club would hv been relegated

[ilovepantyhose]

Originally Posted by lacoruna69

But I want to highlight the CB kia, Dalot.

as alot of players had intn'l duties, amorim don't have many days to work with them, so gotta cut them alot of slack. can see what amorim was trying to do with his formation and tactics, the players will also need time to learn the new system... need how much time? i think at least 3-4 months, so basically this season is a write off liao i really hope the squad can adjust their mindset to be receptive of amorim system, dun wanna see the same drama every 2 yrs

that being said, lets go back to last night's match, here are some thoughts:

- really quick off the blocks, direct runs and passes leading to rashford goal, but after they scored, they took the foot off the pedal and allowed ipswich back into the game, the same old mentality leftover from ETH era haiz what else is new?

- yes, dalot is the weakest link in defence, ipswich mainly attacked down his flank, incld the one which led to equaliser. as long as he starts, opponents will focus attacking his flank which will only increase the goal scoring chances. he cannot be a regular starter and can only deputise

- evans started at LDC and was drawn out of posn by hutchinson several times who was able to turn quickly, he looked uncomfy marking such an agile player, once drawn out of posn, the left flank is exposed and can be overloaded. he is more suited to play at CDC

- amorim started casemiro eriksen in midfield, as expected, ipswich was able to overrun as man u had no physical presence in the middle of the park. for amorim system to work, basically all the outfield players are to be box to box type, which means he cannot start the aging players, but this was the 1st match and amorim had ltd time to work with players, so bobian. those players over 30yo will likely play less as the season progresses

- in terms of attack, can only say the rashford goal is from amorim playbook, but after that, man u often reverted to ETH style, play out from back but either can't seem to find an open teammate or the attackers aren't making runs, then gotta pass sideways or backwards, invite ipswich press, then the wingbacks backtrack to provide passing outlet. there were some flashes of intricate play but fizzled out quickly. a huge task for amorim to eliminate all traces of ETH style and the poor mentality

- can see that amorim system is quite high tempo which require players to make runs into space and the ball to be passed quickly. garnacho was twice guilty of not releasing the ball fast enough for rashford to run onto, 2 potential chances gone because garnacho was too slow to release the ball, he can be frustrating at times because he is still young and inconsistent

- rashford started well with a goal, but after his pressing and runs didn't bear fruit, he just gave up and jogged/walked, and he still has the tendency to drift wide rather than operate centrally; garnacho supposed to be inside left, but he continue to stay out wide on the left, he is young and still has time to learn/train a new posn; verdict: rashford in-game attitude and lack of defensive work is a problem, maybe the time has come to move him on. garnacho can still be in the squad as long as he is willing to learn, but can he suppress his instinct to go wide left though?

- when w/o the ball, man u still lacks bite in every dept before ugarte sub in, and currently martinez is injured, malacia not ready to return yet. i think currently the available players will run around like headless chickens pressing ineffectively... something has to give? simplest reason is they are unable to press as a unit and assume that opponent will unforced error with the ball every time... wake up bloody idea lah dey... train together for how long already still no understanding? also any player in the mold of keane among the academy youngsters? since no money for amorim to spend in the mkt, can promote those youngsters with bite to the 1st team

- how to deploy fernandes? when under ETH, sometimes fernandes was so high up the pitch and the buildup play was disjointed because there was nobody in midfield to link defence and attack. same thing occurred last night as man u had trouble playing out agnst the ipswich press. under amorim system of 3-4-2-1, maybe fernandes can partner ugarte in midfield vs bodo, or if amorim is willing to tweak to 3-4-1-2, fernandes can still be no.10

- same thing for zirkzee, his performance as a 9-1/2 hasn't gone well so far as understanding w teammates still way off, i think a possible way is for him to learn to play with back to goal like the traditional SC, he has the frame and technique for it. maybe he also can operate as the inside forward, to play off the SC. for sure must be less languid and react faster

- amorim got to see firsthand how aggressive the eng pressing game is, does he still want to play out from the back every game? will he become another ETH? i still think the best way is to go direct, GK straight to SC

- next match is UEL at home vs bodo, with several defenders still out, shaw and mazraoui will play on either side of de ligt, amad RWB, dalot LWB, ugarte to partner fernandes in midfield, hojlund rashford garnacho as the front 3, likely another draw as the squad still learning amorim system

[lacoruna69]

Originally Posted by ilovepantyhose

as alot of players had intn'l duties, amorim don't have many days to work with them, so gotta cut them alot of slack. can see what amorim was trying to do with his formation and tactics, the players will also need time to learn the new system... need how much time? i think at least 3-4 months, so basically this season is a write off liao i really hope the squad can adjust their mindset to be receptive of amorim system, dun wanna see the same drama every 2 yrs

Thanks again for the detail analysis. Great observations as usual!

But I don't think Amorim will be given that much time leh....by the end March, if they are still mid table (currently Posn 12), I'm not sure whether SJR will be happy with that.
But seriously, as professionals, aren't them by nature receptive to changing formations? Not asking them this match play forwards, next match play as defender mah.
Then how they adapt playing for countries?
I'm quite sure the national coach can't cater to specific position requests.
It is either you play or don't play.
And I do see other EPL teams deploy different formations and playing styles when facing different teams.
Why can't the pussies do that? They are not schoolboys, btw.
I seriously think is a big case of want or don't want to play. Ai mai ai mai attitude.

Agree with your analysis on the players.
But I seriously think it is gone case for Zirkzee. He is a bad buy and clearly couldn't adapt to the fast paced EPL. I don't see him putting any effort whenever he comes on. He just wants to play his own style.
As for your theory on supplying crosses, I still feel as a true marksman hot shooter, he should be very aware of where the ball is and seize the opportunity to draw first blood when that chance arrived.
Not wait for sublime crosses to come in everytime and start blaming everyone when they never supply.
McTominay bang in 10 last season and he was deployed as a DMC.
He is very aware of where to position himself so he will be there when the ball comes in. "Ball sense" or predatory instinct.
Very sad that McTom is not here anymore and now he is thriving in Serie A.
Tragic that the pussies do not have this kind of striker now.
No, Hojlund is not there yet. Maybe he will never be.
Look at Harry Kane, can shoot from anywhere and is perfect fit from the word go once joining Bayern.
Even can assist teammates. I'm pretty sure his other teammates don't rely on him to get goals. But his "ball sense" is high. Always know where the ball is going to be.

[Marmots]

I expected too much too fast, the malaise from ETH era could not be erased that quickly.

How will RA adapt his style to the squad, will he have any compromise eg from 3-4-3 into 3-5-1-1 ?
Case and Erik can't cut it in midfield due to the hard running required, 1 more in midfield can help lighten the load.

Onana saved our asses, splendid saves he did. Too bad our weak strikes on goal did not test opposition gk.

The players need more composure when in good positions, dalot and Garnacho's effort was rushed and weak. If they could have held on 2 or 3 seconds more and waited for team mates to come in, could have had a better chance.

Amad has performed really well recently, definitely need to work on his contract which is till 2026 +1.
And fix Mainoo contract as well. Longer it takes, going to have to pay them more eventually.

With the switch to 3 central defenders, feel that we need at least 1 more incoming, whether from transfer or academy/youth.
Maybe the most pressing from my pov.

It is said that PSG is looking at Rashford, and if he still can't cut it by the time Jan transfer window comes, maybe time to cut our losses if PSG do come calling.
And maybe reduce Antony fee to £20m.

At the same time, I remain conflicted, do want them to work out.

How many people remember our very own Anti Goal ?
He sucked so bad until Dwight Yorke came onboard and they formed such a prolific partnership.

Need the players to start forming understanding, connections and partnerships, knowing where each other are.

News is in that Leicester wants RvN as first choice manager.
All the best to RvN wherever he goes.

[Rickey]

Originally Posted by lacoruna69

Thanks again for the detail analysis. Great observations as usual!

But I don't think Amorim will be given that much time leh....by the end March, if they are still mid table (currently Posn 12), I'm not sure whether SJR will be happy with that.
But seriously, as professionals, aren't them by nature receptive to changing formations? Not asking them this match play forwards, next match play as defender mah.
Then how they adapt playing for countries?
I'm quite sure the national coach can't cater to specific position requests.
It is either you play or don't play.
And I do see other EPL teams deploy different formations and playing styles when facing different teams.
Why can't the pussies do that? They are not schoolboys, btw.
I seriously think is a big case of want or don't want to play. Ai mai ai mai attitude.

Agree with your analysis on the players.
But I seriously think it is gone case for Zirkzee. He is a bad buy and clearly couldn't adapt to the fast paced EPL. I don't see him putting any effort whenever he comes on. He just wants to play his own style.
As for your theory on supplying crosses, I still feel as a true marksman hot shooter, he should be very aware of where the ball is and seize the opportunity to draw first blood when that chance arrived.
Not wait for sublime crosses to come in everytime and start blaming everyone when they never supply.
McTominay bang in 10 last season and he was deployed as a DMC.
He is very aware of where to position himself so he will be there when the ball comes in. "Ball sense" or predatory instinct.
Very sad that McTom is not here anymore and now he is thriving in Serie A.
Tragic that the pussies do not have this kind of striker now.
No, Hojlund is not there yet. Maybe he will never be.
Look at Harry Kane, can shoot from anywhere and is perfect fit from the word go once joining Bayern.
Even can assist teammates. I'm pretty sure his other teammates don't rely on him to get goals. But his "ball sense" is high. Always know where the ball is going to be.

Share the same sentiment as u....Amorim better quickly learn who are his best XI to suit his style of play...time is not on his side...cannot follow the footsteps of baldy always tickam tickam n end up losing or drawing matches...had it not for Onana heroics, he would hv lost the match against Ipswich sunday night becos he was trying out his players one by one...he is already 1 week in the club n yet by the selection of his staring XI, it shows he hardly know anything about anyone of them

[lacoruna69]

Originally Posted by Rickey

...had it not for Onana heroics, he would hv lost the match against Ipswich sunday night becos he was trying out his players one by one...he is already 1 week in the club n yet by the selection of his staring XI, it shows he hardly know anything about anyone of them

Yes, can argue that most first choice players are on international duty.

That's why RvN thought he got a chance to be retained. To impart what he knows.
But he was asked to leave along w 3 coaches immediately. Like corporate retrenchment.

Fair and square, Amorim brings along his own team too.

But you are right, looking at the starting XI, performance and substitutions against Ipswich. He clearly looks ill-prepared.
He and his team never do homework before flying over??
No excuses on this one. Can't beat a relegation team.

SJR and fans are starting to lose patience.
Amorim and team needs to prove their worth in the next 3-4 matches.
Not 3-4 months.

[lacoruna69]

Originally Posted by Tai_zi21

With the first goal scored within 2 mins I was expecting a thrashing…
In the end diff manager same results…

First game ok I give it to u… second game against Everton at Old Trafford I expect u to kill them off and I mean KILL

You missed out the Europa League.

Their next game is against Bodo/Glimt at OT, anything less than a win just means Amorim and his team are just a load of hot air.

[Rickey]

Originally Posted by Tai_zi21

With the first goal scored within 2 mins I was expecting a thrashing…
In the end diff manager same results…

First game ok I give it to u… second game against Everton at Old Trafford I expect u to kill them off and I mean KILL

Originally Posted by lacoruna69

You missed out the Europa League.

Their next game is against Bodo/Glimt at OT, anything less than a win just means Amorim and his team are just a load of hot air.

He already warning all of u not to expect miracles from him...he says there will be a long period of suffering...but being such a renowned coach winning titles n trophies for the last 4 years at Sporting, does he really need that long time to know his new players n turn the club around ??...if he can't INEOS shd call RVN back...I m sure RVN can bring them back to top 8 at least if not higher

[ilovepantyhose]

Originally Posted by lacoruna69

But I don't think Amorim will be given that much time leh

....

when SJR was bringing in the football executives, he pleaded for patience with the fans. i think SJR & co is mentally prepared that man u will finish in the bottom half this season when they decided to go for amorim. i think from now till july 25, amorim has enough time to get his ideas across, but whether the squad is receptive is another qn liao. it makes no footballing and financial sense for SJR to let amorim go by march, the payout will be in the millions, SJR will be no different from the glazers who changed managers every 2 yrs

i believe adapting to formations and playing for country boils down to the defensive posn training and drills, should be pretty intensive? because a defender in a back4 has to cover a bigger area than in a back3, so will do some refresher theory lessons and then intensive training (will need a ex-pro footballer bro to share his exp here )

the aimai attitude and underperformance are problems for man u, i will want man u to do a clear out: sell lindelof, dalot, shaw, mount*, casemiro, eriksen, rashford, antony (*mount has bite but too injury prone); and promote academy youngsters to 1st team, results will suffer short term but long term there will be a solid core of players with telepathic understanding, desire and ambition

ya agree, after seeing zirkzee performance, i think he is similar to amrabat, in the sense that both struggle to keep up with the intensity and tempo of PL. dunno if man u will take the loss and sell zirkzee? if he stays, amorim gotta develop him, perhaps to an inside forward to sppt hojlund, or a ball carrier MC who can add physical presence in midfield (mainoo can dribble but will be outmuscled)

when the pro footballers were still budding youngsters, the youth coaches would have determined who is suitable for which posn, so hojlund/zirkzee must have demonstrated enough ability/instinct for the coaches to train them up as strikers. perhaps a step up straight into PL action from serie A was too much for them, in hindsight, would it be better if they were initially loaned out to low div clubs to have experience facing eng style defenders to aid their development like amad did? hojlund zirkzee are facing the toughest defenders the PL has to offer, its like a level1 character fighting a level10 boss, sure die, levelling up takes time but sadly modern football want instant results

no lah, harry kane is the finished article liao, hojlund zirkzee aren't, as a fan i hope that they can develop into top strikers

as for supply/crossing, i would say the crosser plays a big part. iirc there were reports on beckham staying back after training sessions to improve his passing, crossing and set pieces. the end result? long accurate passes, top quality crosses and deadly free kicks on the pitch. he won't be able to do that on the pitch if he didn't put in countless hours of practice at carrington. i think the best crossers in the squad are fernandes/eriksen, but they are nowhere near beckham level for sure. as for the players, need to put in how many hours of practice to level up? are they willing to?

[lacoruna69]

Originally Posted by Rickey

...but being such a renowned coach winning titles n trophies for the last 4 years at Sporting, does he really need that long time to know his new players n turn the club around ??...if he can't INEOS shd call RVN back...I m sure RVN can bring them back to top 8 at least if not higher

RvN at Man U offer to retain as Assistant under Amorim also kick out.
Even stayed back, most is interim manager, if SJR not hire Amorim.
But Leicester will offer him manager title.
Which post will you choose??

Originally Posted by ilovepantyhose

when SJR was bringing in the football executives, he pleaded for patience with the fans. i think SJR & co is mentally prepared that man u will finish in the bottom half this season when they decided to go for amorim. i think from now till july 25, amorim has enough time to get his ideas across, but whether the squad is receptive is another qn liao. it makes no footballing and financial sense for SJR to let amorim go by march, the payout will be in the millions, SJR will be no different from the glazers who changed managers every 2 yrs

I guess SJR chose Amorim mostly is due to his achievement in turning Sporting into title winning side in just his second season.
First season he helped SCP to 4th placed finish. Winning 6 and drew 3 in the remaining games after taking over in March.
Impressive record.
So, SJR do expect certain results to be delivered. I think.
Ending at the bottom half of the table will not go down well with the fans.
This is worst than botak.
I'm not sure Amorim will want to stick to 3-4-3 if it means players having to readjust and results suffered as a result.
RvN maintained the original formation and have 3 wins and 1 draw.
Some serious thinking for Amorim.

Got reports indicating RvN is closing in on the Leicester job.
Will be fun seeing Leicester beating Man U at the King Power Stadium.