Re- launch of the forum

[2011]

Boss

you really giving up SG market?

[hotguy2468]

Originally Posted by sammyboyfor

It would have been great if the forum could have continued without any advertising thereby keeping out the commercial in-fighting..

Boss, your sticky says NO HDB FLs allowed, but what if the FLs of your advertiser is operating in HDB locations?

In case you are not aware, your PRC OKTs still advertising for FLs operating in HDB flats. Today I encountered 3 FLs in FL Dome 2 who gave me their location in HDB estate - Yishun, Punggol & Jurong. Finally decided to go GL to release.

[Spud_Boy]

still hope the essence of the forum remains after the revamp... & heng i still can login... can't imagine suddenly can't login after so many yrs in the forum...

boss, so does it mean i can't log in when i'm travelling in China?

[Spector69]

Originally Posted by Big2

I did not get culled! I'm alive! =) This forum too, will stay afloat! Best source of entertainment when OC not around. All the best boss!

You mean u are not culled..yet. You sounds like an animal needing to be slaughtered.

[picco]

Originally Posted by sammyboyfor

The problem is that the volume is too high. No Mod or even a team of Mods can scrutinize everything.

They rely on people reporting. That is why I put the reporting link in the forum preamble.

HWZ is the same : In their forum, it is stated



The difference is that HWZ is owned by SPH where as sammyboy is not. They can therefore get away with a disclaimer whereas mine carries no weight whatsoever. In HWZ members are responsible for their own posts. In sammyboy, I am responsible for everyone's posts.

The reason why HWZ can get away is that anyone who does something that is out of line and investigated by the police will have their particulars and ip handed over by HWZ.

If you can do the same, you will not be able to be responsible for everyone's post. But if you choose to protect people who flout the law, then can't really blame on the difference

[picco]

Originally Posted by sammyboyfor

It would have been great if the forum could have continued without any advertising thereby keeping out the commercial in-fighting.

However, the harsh reality of having to pay the bills every month meant that by 2005, providing a free service was no longer a viable option.

There are many ways to make a site survive. Even wikipedia does collect donations.
But if you choose to collect advertisements, then you need to select advertisers and advertisements which do not flout the law, however, the majority of your advertisers does flout the rule.

The authorities are not clamping down on you talking about the legal sites nor the adult discussions. But they are clamping down because FLs operate in venues which are in heartland via using your platform to advertise. Your site is a hotbed for them.

So somehow or another if you want to collect advertisements, you need to regulate your advertisers or else they run blatant and you be caught responsible for their actions which you can't say you are not aware. Being ignorant of what has happened in some cases which you quoted, is not a good enough excuse.

Even eradicating pimps and getting FLs to advertise themselves will still bring the whole issue back to square one.

Lastly, you need to realise the root of the issue and nip the bud.

[pawned]

I believe this is my virgin post since joining in 2010. Thank you boss Sam for not culling me.

This forum has been a great part of my daily life. Especially reading those stories from bros like BMW, ilock, b52bomber and many more in the Adult Discussion. Kudos to all these bro for their fanatic stories!

I hope that this forum will go on for many years to come.

Good Luck and Thank You to boss Sam in pushing this forum as a better place for everyone.

[Jtjan]

Originally Posted by sammyboyfor

It would have been great if the forum could have continued without any advertising thereby keeping out the commercial in-fighting.

However, the harsh reality of having to pay the bills every month meant that by 2005, providing a free service was no longer a viable option.

Hi boss, u have done very well all these while.
You have also explained quite clearly in previous posts how it became impossible to provide free service. I just wanna say I appreciate your efforts.

You are caught in a situation where any number of websites will be made an example of because of a few bad apples. Those guys who continually risk criminal prosecution to take upskirts for Rep points are simply juvenile. There is nothing no Moderators can do about it. As for pimping, it has operated on a "grey" area of the law for a long time.

It is unfair to take the moderator to task for the postings of individual forumers. How do we solve the issue? I guess downsizing is inevitable. It is a shame that it has to come to this.

I think the idea of restricting new members is a good idea. And maybe making this a paid site will ensure the age limit of 21yo in future.

Not good with suggestions, just my thoughts!
May this site continue to thrive within the legal boundaries!

[Summerhillt]

Okay, why Sbf is under the limelight now? In the first place, Singapore is still considered a very conservative society. You do not go around and tell your colleagues or those hi bye friends which hooker you have been fucking. How was it? She gave you a good rimjob perhaps?

So sbf became the perfect outlet to share your views and whatsoever comments followed. Yes, sharing sexual discussions online is not frowned upon but best done behind closed doors or among some like minded friends..

So pop! Explosion of the forum. Being such a tight society,having sbf around is like your little secrect. You can post behind a comp and be your keyboard warrior.

To maintain this traffic and server boss Sam has to find revenues. Nothing is free in this world. So came ads,sponsorships for online whores and used to have online bookies but its closed.

User generated content is the thing which is the hardest to catch. You can't expect mod and boss Sam to 24/7 police sbf right? I mean they have something better to do like spend time with family or whatever.

So the uploads of snipe, yes its nice to have a few pics but when you have it as a thread with people saying " good job bro! Well done! Love to see more! " This might act as a venue for crime to be committed. Yes if you do not get caught and upload here people think you are a God. If you get caught people say your a sohai why you so dumb?!

2 faced? Maybe? Let me share a recount. My friend was at this shopping mall in town. He and his gf were on the escalator, a guy crept up behind them and acted suspiciously. So cut story short, friend saw a camera in the bag. Pinned him down. Gf called police. Months later his face was on newspaper and got jailed. He looked decent and was pleading my friend to let him go..

What were the chances this guy was taking that photo to upload on the " you have been sniped " thread? To be worshipped by many here in sbf? Now he's life is gone, criminal record.

That SG judge said we are depraved. Yes we might be but we are not deranged.

P.S. - I still have a video I kept cause it was one of the most shocking video ever. This sbf bro upload the video on the infamous snipe thread. He took an upskirt video of an ang moh woman. Nothing much you think? He still can take facial shot and video his hand lift up the skirt, without the ang moh or public noticing! Really stunned like vegetables!!

[Big_sam]

Originally Posted by Summerhillt

Okay, why Sbf is under the limelight now? In the first place, Singapore is still considered a very conservative society.

Snipers/Under age video posted in forum/ Pimps in the forum. Conservative society? 80's ~ 90's maybe lol now is just wayang image nia.

Honestly speaking if Police wanna clear all the pimps stable listed in FL dome, they could have done so easily since CTC is so easily available. The fact that they only clear certain stables in the HDB shows that obviously someone is reporting those stable that they visited. My best bet are those Snipers that got caught are trying to do anything that could lighten their sentence.

Hopefully after the major revamp, Police/Media will stop pestering boss again...

[picco]

Originally Posted by Jtjan

Hi boss, u have done very well all these while.
You have also explained quite clearly in previous posts how it became impossible to provide free service. I just wanna say I appreciate your efforts.

You are caught in a situation where any number of websites will be made an example of because of a few bad apples. Those guys who continually risk criminal prosecution to take upskirts for Rep points are simply juvenile. There is nothing no Moderators can do about it. As for pimping, it has operated on a "grey" area of the law for a long time.

It is unfair to take the moderator to task for the postings of individual forumers. How do we solve the issue? I guess downsizing is inevitable. It is a shame that it has to come to this.

I think the idea of restricting new members is a good idea. And maybe making this a paid site will ensure the age limit of 21yo in future.

Not good with suggestions, just my thoughts!
May this site continue to thrive within the legal boundaries!

The upskirts wasn't the main spark.
The main spark came when prc whores operated in heartland hdbs. And they were advertising openly in sbf via pimps who paid advertising to list their girls.

Sam had high overheads maintaining the forum, but lets not kid ourselves that he has not profited from the advertising. We cannot say that it is unfair that moderator has been taken to task for postings of individual forumers. It is the lack of regulations that has made the system in this forum that lax. Eg, what is the point of having reputation points when points can be bought?

With lax regulations, it makes the forum hard to maintain especially when there is high traffic.

The person who was jailed was found guilty of living on immoral earnings because he helped whores advertise by collecting a fee from them. Likewise this person paid this forum a fee so that he can advertise. And this forum is collecting a fee from him. There is no difference if whores advertise themselves without having a pimp representing them because eventually the forum and the forum owner are deemed as pimps in this case.

Downsize the forum to lesser areas will be better for a start, because the massive amount of work has become too much work for Sam and his moderators. By downsizing to lesser forums will make the work easier for him. And that is of course to start off by cutting out the illegal fl sections.

But its not easy to cut off because thats the main cash cow for this forum.

[picco]

Originally Posted by Big_sam

Snipers/Under age video posted in forum/ Pimps in the forum. Conservative society? 80's ~ 90's maybe lol now is just wayang image nia.

Honestly speaking if Police wanna clear all the pimps stable listed in FL dome, they could have done so easily since CTC is so easily available. The fact that they only clear certain stables in the HDB shows that obviously someone is reporting those stable that they visited. My best bet are those Snipers that got caught are trying to do anything that could lighten their sentence.

Hopefully after the major revamp, Police/Media will stop pestering boss again...

If u stay in a hdb flat and u have a teenage daughter at home. Your next door neighbor rented out to prc whores to operate. Every day you get men walking past your unit, sometimes glaring into your unit with stares at your daughter and maybe even your wife. Sometimes u may even get men knocking on your door because they mistaken ur unit as brothel. Don't tell me you keep quiet and don't report police???



There is a reason why there are boundaries drawn for brothels to operate legally in geylang.

[sammyboyfor]

Originally Posted by picco

Lastly, you need to realise the root of the issue and nip the bud.

I am not naive. I've been part and parcel of this sordid (but necessary) business for a long time.

However you have to realise that I am not the root cause of this issue. The root cause of the issue is that demand for sexual services far outstrips the supply available at the legal red light districts which are shrinking instead of expanding.

I could close down this site and call it a day tomorrow. Do you think that the issues that the press has been highlighting will suddenly all disappear and the horny men will decide to kill their sex urges with a cold shower or a wank while the depraved upskirters will switch to landscape photography?

Traffic that comes here will soon find a new hangout at a new domain which may offer far more than worthless reputation points for some blurry snipe images.

In the meantime the OKTs will find new homes and new sources of advertising which could well be far more difficult to shut down.

I have never for one moment believed that my site was anything close to wholesome family entertainment. However, by making this a one stop shop for sexual issues pertaining to Singapore, the authorities could feel the pulse of what is going on then tackle the real root causes. Hell I even have a real doctor in the house giving consultation for free to take care of the sexual health issues of the cheonging community.

As far as commercial sex is concerned, the issue of illegal pimps is easy to solve.

There is probably currently a demand for (say) 20,000 prostitutes to service the needs of Singaporeans. Could be a lot more. I'm only guessing.

The current supply from the traditional red light districts is probably only one tenth of that number let's say 2000.

So what do the other 18,000 men do? jerk off and be done with it? Of course not. They look outside the legal areas for their kicks.

If Singapore can take the enlightened path, legalise the whole industry and license the pimps based upon certain conditions and criteria, the majority of problems will go away overnight.

In NZ, parliament has just passed a law allowing small signs to advertise brothels in residential areas.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11480341

Since the legalisation of the trade in 2003, there has been absolutely no explosion of vice that was predicted when the law was first passed.

If I wanted to become a pimp in Christchurch, I'd go broke unless I had something very special to offer the customers that no other establishment could match The demand and supply are balanced and market rates have been established.

However, even in NZ, the PRC whores have invaded and are causing nothing but trouble. However, this has nothing to do with any website. It is because the PRC operators have absolutely no respect or consideration for the norms of society. They ignore the rules with impunity and show the middle finger to authority when caught. The root cause is their presence. The solution is to kick them out. However, governments around the world are pimping out their countries in exchange for Chinese money so at the end of the day, who are the biggest pimps around? No country dares to offend the Chinese. It would cost cold hard cash. When big money is involved, long standing values are always cast aside for a quick buck.

The clarity and legality of prostitution in OZ and NZ has enabled me to design professional websites that benefit the consumer and provider immensely. Just do a search, I'm sure it can easily be found.

This site is a mess because nobody in Singapore wants to take on the job of running it in a professional manner. I tried but I failed. They're all afraid they'll be caught for living off the earnings of prostitution whatever that means.

I am therefore forced to struggle with a few volunteers and nothing more.

If I could hire a proper team, I could do the following before I accept an advert :

1. Verify the accuracy of photos.
2. Check the location to ensure that it meets legal requirements.. warning signs, use of condoms etc.
3. Ensure health records are kept.
4. Set up a proper rating system similar to what traveladvisor has for each establishment.
5. Investigate any complaints regarding false advertising, poor service and pull the plug if actions are not taken.

To be honest this forum format here is not much better from the internet newsgroups that the singapore internet pioneers were using. It sorely needs a proper revamp and more control. If the laws are amended in an enlightened manner, I would be the first to sign up to the new paradigm.

I hope to live to the day when I can see this happen.

If it doesn't, I'll just stick to operating my NZ and OZ websites and life will be so much more peaceful and far less stressful.

[sammyboyfor]

Originally Posted by hotguy2468

Boss, your sticky says NO HDB FLs allowed, but what if the FLs of your advertiser is operating in HDB locations?

In case you are not aware, your PRC OKTs still advertising for FLs operating in HDB flats. Today I encountered 3 FLs in FL Dome 2 who gave me their location in HDB estate - Yishun, Punggol & Jurong. Finally decided to go GL to release.

Report the details via PM. I will do the necessary.

[pussylicious12345]

Bro, whatever you are doing now will appear like stop measures and reactions from the recent bad media coverage. I'm not sure the regulators here will buy it. Maybe you shld contact the relevant authorities and see what you can do (as a responsible web admin) to mitigate the situation? Cheers! I wish you well and let the forum continue for bros sake!