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Pool lost midfield control from the start.
Had Lallana equalized in the 1st half this game would be different.
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22-03-2015, 11:30 PM
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Best part of the game is that Greedy Rooney didn't score the penalty
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22-03-2015, 11:45 PM
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22-03-2015, 11:47 PM
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Credit must go to MU. They really brought the game to us. And what a beautiful goal by Mata.
But we didn't say die and fought on. Must also credit the boys for their never say die attitude. But, tonight, everything just went wrong. Many players were just off color. Joe Allen kept losing the ball. Morena kept mis-passing and letting Mata run behind him. Can also not his usual game. We just lost the midfield. Sad that Gerard had to play his last derby like that. But quite sway for him. I think he was just trying to get away from the sliding in by Herera. Natural reaction. Anyway, we tried and will keep trying to push into the top 4. Now will need some help from the other teams.
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22-03-2015, 11:47 PM
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23-03-2015, 04:22 AM
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Guess we were finally brought back down to earth. A very insightful post from the LFC board for all to read and chew over. Oh yes and it ain't over till the fat lady sings, so keep the faith, dare to dream, we go again to the Emirates next, YNWA!
There are a couple of things that need solving here, but the defence is not one of them. I should start by saying that I do prefer the 4-3-3 as a formation. I prefer the interplay that you can have upfront if you have the right front three players, how they can interchange and pull the opposition around allowing a fourth attacker to join from the midfield, and the Full-Backs to help overload out wide. However, how anyone can think that we should return to a back four is beyond me at the moment. I criticised Rodgers last season for attempting to play with three at the back when it was not working. At the time we had an out of sorts Toure, a Sakho trying to figure out the Premier League, and we had Cissokho and Johnson as the Wing-Backs. Worse, we had a slowing - even back then - Steven Gerrard patrolling the middle with Henderson, who were there to feed the ball to...Victor Moses. Thankfully, BR moved away from it and also started to think about how to get the best out of his best players. In truth, the beginnings of that system last season - against Sunderland and then Newcastle away I believe it was - was an attempt to figure out how to keep Suarez and Sturridge close to each other in formation so that they could work together. This season, we had the same issue but for different reasons. This time, we lacked any credible striking threat, and our defence was poor. So to solve this we needed a formation to get our best footballers on the pitch, while also allowing an extra man at the back. This is how we ended up here. The three at the back, generally, works for us and has gotten the best out of Skrtel and Sakho certainly. Can has his shaky moments but he is only young, it's not his natural position, and the pressure he - and Sakho today actually - is under is often down to what is happening infront. More on that in a moment though. Tweak as opposed to change: First and foremost, we played poorly today. It will happen. It was especially disappointing because of how poorly. Only Sakho, I thought, had a good game. Everyone else struggled. For me, even had Gerrard stayed on the pitch, the switch to the diamond was not going to alter things for us. The issue, as it has been for the last couple of games, is the isolation of Sturridge. Part of this is due to Coutinho and Lallana not pushing on enough, but a large part of it is also down to him: He often pulls wide and occupies the opposition full-back. This is the role of the wing-back. What Sturridge does when we have the ball is then get surrounded and we lose possession. The opposition then have an easy out because the CBs who Sturridge is no longer occupying are free to take the ball. Earlier, when we first switched to this formation, we had Sterling there. Sterling was alot more disciplined. Not only this, but he ran his socks of pressing and he made sure that that pressing was in central areas. I had actually, despite knowing Sturridge's worth as a finisher, wanted Sterling to start up top today if we were going to persist with the formation. That didn't happen, but there was something Rodgers should have been doing once he realised. The change today should not have been a diamond. It shouldn't have been Gerrard either. It should have been pushing Sterling up alongside Sturridge (3-4-1-2) so that Sturridge could make the runs he wanted, without the opposition CBs being let off. Id have removed Lallana - who though I like, has been poor recently - put Toure on as the back three were generally ok and keeping United away from our goal -and pushed Can up as the RWB. Not ideal, but without Marko or Ibe, and preferring Can's energy and usefulness on the ball to Johnson's...well, to Johnson. This change should have been made in the first half, because at the time Lallana and Coutinho both were struggling to get into the game. Once we switch and allow Sturridge to have someone closer to him, those two can press directly onto the United CBs, meaning Carrick has to drop to help out, leaving a little more space - in an ideal world - for Coutinho to work with. At the same time, the other United midfielders, with Carrick now having to help out a little deeper, tuck in to sort Coutinho out. If they do that, there is space wide for the WBs to go one on one with the United FBs. If Rodgers wants Sturridge to play, then for me we have to go two up top. Another issue with all of this by the way, is that it leaves our bench thin because we are trying to find positions for all of our good footballers in the starting line-up rather than picking the right men for the game. Basics: I mentioned earlier about Sakho and Can, the latter in particular, getting into trouble down the flanks. If you draw out our formation, it seems obvious that teams should be able to get down our flanks. Yet while it will happen from time to time in a game, against Swansea and today against United it seemed to happen every time. The problem, in my opinion, is this: Generally, if you're the winger, or youre the CM, and you've gone out toward the touchline to press the ball, you want to try to keep your opposition attackers outside, because then if they beat you, theyre only on to the Full-Back. Ideally, the FB is helping you box them out there until you either get possession back, force a throw-in, or worst case, the opposition have to play it backwards. In this formation we cannot do that. If you show them the outside, then to box them in the L/RCB (depending upon which side you are on ofcourse) has to come and create that box, meaning if the attacker gets through, they are right into the wide open space behind. Similarly, if the L/RCB does not come forward to create that box, and your player showing them outside gets beat, then the attacker is onto that CB bearing down toward goal. That CB then has to react by stepping out, ultimately forcing the other two to come across, and then requiring the opposite WB to drop in and cover. This happened today for the first goal, only Moreno wasn't quick enough to cover and United switched the ball quickly. Henderson has been guilty of this several times in the last two games - showing them the line. Moreno also did it a number of times today, but thankfully Sakho was generally more attuned to him making that error and often dealt with it quickly. In this formation rather than showing the line we have to drive the attacker back in toward the middle of the park where we have men. Essentially, into the 'trap' that should be there created by the 'four' (the two AMs and the two CMs). If it's your CM that has gone to press the ball out wide because the WB is advanced, then the WB has to drop back and tuck into the hole left until the team can reset. This is not happening at all. Quick-Passing: Against the Swans I was as impressed with their one/two touch football, as I was aghast with the complete lack of it in our own game. I then went and took a look through our previous three games and noticed that beyond the odd moment, this has gone from our game. We look measured and composed, and we are controlling - until today - better than I have seen us generally. Against Swansea, once ahead, we just shut-up shop and I've never felt comfortable with us doing that before, but in this formation we seem to be able to do that quite well. What we don't have however is the change of pace in our build up play on the attack. I am not entirely sure why. I have to believe that it's the players, diligently trying to stick to their roles in the formation, rather than Rodgers who I think would want us to have more of that style of play. We seem to be waiting for a Coutinho special, be that a through-ball or (these days) a worldie, rather than using the skill that we do have in those forward positions to unlock tight spaces. Simple wall-passes, just one-touch and good off the ball movement.
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23-03-2015, 04:24 AM
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So What Now? I think there are some basics that need to be sorted out regarding the overall defensive shape of our team without the ball and how to handle certain scenarios, but we should not be moving away from the back three because I think the trouble that we are encountering is starting further forward and can be remedied. Not only this, but the back three has been pretty solid, where a back four has not. In the past because Skrtel naturally drops quite deep there has been a chasm between our defence and midfield, worsened when the FBs go forward to support the attack. With the back three, it has not mattered as much how big the gap is as they generally - between the three of them - have dealt with trouble, or held it up enough until support arrives or the attacker takes a shot from range which Migs can handle. What is more, the three players generally are having their best games for us in it. If anything, the back three is the only part of the formation that does not require fixing. We need to address the WB issues. Moreno generally has done ok, without being spectacular. He has had a bad couple of games, and that will happen. But there is little else we can do out there other than waste someone like Sterling - who can do a job, but is better suited elsewhere. Marko has done ok without being spectacular, but you feel you could get more out of him elsewhere too. The best has been Ibe because he has done the job properly: doesnt drift inside, keeps himself as a wide option and was smart when deciding whether to go forward or whether to hold his line. These issues can only really be solved if we decide to keep this formation, by signing the right players. So, to solving that attack, I believe we have to switch to the two up top now if Sturridge is going to play. He needs a player close to him so that we can implement that quick one touch football that we have seen before. He said himself, in an interview earlier this week, in this formation we hold the ball longer and he has to be more patient. I read that as "I start making my runs, but the ball never gets to me". A part of that is because the player who would pass it to him, knows he is just going to do so and Studge will get bottled up. If Sterling is up top with him, and close to him, then the two can work the areas together, and it gives the opposition defence - as mentioned already - much more to think about. So not a ditching of the formation. Just a change to some of the specifics I think. Today was a horrible day. It brought to the fore some of the issues with the formation, but it certainly was not the formations fault. Too many had a bad game, we had the Gerrard incident, and defensive errors or not, United moved the ball brilliantly well for their two goals. My sincere apologies for the length of that post. I hope this is not the end for our top-four chances. Keep learning Brendan.Keep going Red men. Keep on singing fans. Keep fighting all. YNWA.
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23-03-2015, 09:21 AM
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23-03-2015, 10:32 AM
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23-03-2015, 11:04 AM
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23-03-2015, 11:14 AM
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next match against Arsenal...another tough match...this week international break...
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23-03-2015, 04:52 PM
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 I may or may not agree with all ur points but I have to say that u know the game... though the chance of top 4 looks slim now, but hope our guys dun let their heads drop. lets target to win the remaining games, starting with next game against arsenal, and then we'll see where we end up... we always perform better when we r underdogs... 
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23-03-2015, 07:22 PM
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Really disappointed by the team's performance. Even more disappointed at SG receiving a red card for his offence. What the hell was he thinking ? Having said that I am not too sure if a player receives a red card in BPL he will have to sit out the next 3 games ? Can anyone confirm this ?
My player ratings : SM: 5 Sakho 5 EC : 3 Skrtel: 4 JA : 2/3 AM : 2/3 Henderson : 2/3 AL : 3/4 RS : 3 C : 3 DS : 3/4 SG : -2 MB : 0 Don't know why BR keep on using RS in a defensive position. He is much better playing upfront. BR should use 2 strikers instead of 1 . Maybe BR should switch to 3-4-1-2 or 4-4-2 . Have to agree that referee also kelong. I wonder with this defeat does it mean that Liverpool have no chance to qualify for CL next season? Really bad day at the office for Liverpool . I guess many people also lose money.
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