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Cummon · #**4951** 22-12-2007, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Himerus

so we will surely go through, provided we can take a sizable lead to Inter for the second leg...

Ball is round....
1965 European Cup Semi-Final

Pool 3 Inter 1 (Anfield)
Inter 3 Pool 0 (San Siro)

Rafa would love to do it for Shankly this time.

Regaine · #**4952** 22-12-2007, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Cummon

If you were the American owners,would you sack Rafa over his failure to advance into the later stage of CC or CL ?

Have faith in Rafa,he is building up his dream team,we are getting nearer.

Well if Rafa failed to advance to the next stage in Champions League , guess the American owners would be seriously considering his future at Anfield. I do have faith in Liverpool but somtimes his actions are very confusing. There is an old saying " If it ain't broken don't fix it" So if the team is winning why make so many changes? It is making the players even more confused.But having said that let's hope Liverpool win tonite. They cannot afford to drop any points if not the gap will get wider. Go Liverpool go.

Regaine · #**4953** 22-12-2007, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by KingEros

What's there to mind ...
Ok, let's put it this way ... as professionals, every game is important ... but not every game is crucial. There is indeed a difference. Think about it.

This I can think about it

Again, I think this part of your logic is rather warped.
You belong to the group who trashes Rafa's rotation policy ... meaning you advocate never changing a winning team.
Yet, in the same breath, you believe that with a winning team, then can the owners be convinced to part with their money to get new players.
Perhaps, you should really think hard ... & finally, decide which argument you really advocate.

What I mean is that with a winning team , Rafa will have more bargaining power to request for better players . This will help strenghten the team as they will be involved in more matches. Think about it. As always there is two ways to look at the issues. There is no right or wrong. At the end of the day what matters is that Liverpool can win the Barcally's Premier and the Champions League.

On this note, I am adamant that we lost 2 tight matches becoz Lady Luck wasn't smiling on us ... while the Reading match was all due to the anxiety complex (ahead of the Marseille game) poisoning the players' mind. So, I really disagree on "their form" being off.

I also believe that Lady Luck do play a small part in the matches.But in most cases it is up to the manager and the players to try to win it on their own merit. Of course there are other factors like the refree ; the crowd ; and the field , the weather and the mental state of the players also take into consideration.

In any case, my money is on Liverpool to beat Portsmouth by at least 2 clear goals ... as a start to picking up ALL 12 points in the festive fixtures. This would then change the whole look of the league table again ... come back then & join me in cheering for the Reds.

I also wish you well that you win tonite. I do hope that Liverpool will win being that it is homeground advantage. Lets go Liverpool .

rahl · #**4954** 22-12-2007, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by KingEros

BTW, the concept of "You'll Never Walk Alone" is built on the supporters backing the club, the team out of the love for them ... definitely not the other way around. IMHO, it is about backing the club, the team unconditionally too ... though I know a big majority of the people will disagree. Think about this too.

This is one thing I agree with you. We are different from other clubs because we support the club when it's DOWN. Other clubs, fans support only when the team is winning. The Pool way is not for all, I'll say. I will gladly criticise the team and the manager when the performance is poor and the passion lacking but that certainly wasn't the case against Scum and Chelshit.

On the other hand, I get a bit sick of hearing it's due to luck - cos it'd not really saying anything at all. Can we say it's due to Kingeros instead? Hehehe.

hotsoup16 · #**4955** 22-12-2007, 08:50 PM

Kudos to u. Reds Forever!!!

KingEros · #**4956** 23-12-2007, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Cummon

Knockout phase
From the last 16 until the semi-finals, clubs play two matches against each other on a home and away basis with the same rules as the qualifying rounds applied. In the last 16, group winners play runners-up other than teams from their own pool or nation, while from the quarter-finals on the draw is free.

There will be another draw & no more country protections.
Let's do a triple over Chelski in the semis ?

Thanks for the enlightenment ...
Searched UEFA.COM high & low ... can see the video of the draw, but this piece of trivial was nowhere to be found.

KingEros · #**4957** 23-12-2007, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by rahl

On the other hand, I get a bit sick of hearing it's due to luck - cos it'd not really saying anything at all. Can we say it's due to Kingeros instead? Hehehe.

All becoz I have been the loudest advocate that luck has not been on our side?
Or is it becoz you know that Mr Giam Chai has been with me all my life?
In any case, you have the merriest of Christmas ...

KingEros · #**4958** 23-12-2007, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Regaine

Well if Rafa fail to advance to the next stage in Champions League, guess the American owners would be seriously considering his future at Anfield.

You really believe in this??
Whether the press has played up the issue more than what it is really worth, I firmly believe that it was all about American ego ... but then again, would any of us not be just like them, expecting not to be treated like "水鱼" (cantonese) or "海龚" (hokkien) after pouring in millions of dollars to "revive" the club??
At the same time, who is out there they can hire to do a better job?? Juergen Klinsmann ... PLEASE. I love the man, but what has he achieved as his coaching credentials?? He has never even taken on a day-to-day club manager job before, not to mention being tested as one.
Being a successful national team manager is a totally different ball game ... you only have to be an average coach but a very good motivator - after all, you get to summon every good player of a particular nationality to play for you.

At the same time, the Yanks are not stupid ... they are in this to make more money & most significantly, LFC need not be the best-performing club in the world for them to achieve this.

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Originally Posted by Regaine

There is an old saying "If it ain't broken don't fix it" So if the team is winning why make so many changes?

First of all, you already said it's an old saying ...
More importantly, are you one of those who are still not owning a handphone or using internet banking?? I'm sure the residential phone or the over-the-counter banking services weren't broken too ...
You think Sim Wong Hoo or the OSIM guy will still be the millionaire they are today IF they believe "if it ain't broken, dun fix it"?? In Chinese, there's been these sayings ... "出类拔萃", "鹤立鸡群", etc.

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Originally Posted by Regaine

I do have faith in Liverpool but somtimes his actions are very confusing. It is making the players even more confused.

Firstly, you are confused becoz what Rafa does is not conventional. It'd help your understanding too, if you read less of what conventional has-beens (already an overstatement, considering he hasn't even won a single thing as a local coach) like Tohari Paijan writes on the TNP ...
More significantly, the players are definitely not confused ... BUT being able to bring their own ability to the peak, whenever they are called upon - that is the problem. However, Rafa is certain his "scientifically analytical" methods will reign supreme as we enter the second half of the season.
For this, I have ALL my faith in him ... yes, you may call me daft.

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Originally Posted by Regaine

What I mean is that with a winning team, Rafa will have more bargaining power to request for better players. This will help strenghten the team as they will be involved in more matches.

First, you are advocating "if it ain't broken, dun fix it" ... so why you then advocate "with a winning team, Rafa will have more bargaining power to request for for better players" must remain one of the greatest mystery yet ...
Second, what more matches are you talking about?? Playing in the World Club Championships in Japan??
Lastly, if the Yanks already won't spend a single cent more ... towards making sure this current team be strengthened into a winning one, why would they then wanna spend more money ensuring that a winning team remain a winning one??

Anyway, like I said earlier, it's really an ego issue on the part of the Yanks ... they just needed to let the whole world know who really is the boss.
After that is settled (which is apparently the case now), we will be getting money to sign players come January lah ... with Marscherano & a back-up centre-half as top priority.

lls8 · #**4959** 23-12-2007, 01:13 PM

Liverpool money crisis deepens as American owners miss deadline over £220m debt

Liverpool's American owners George Gillett jnr and Tom Hicks have missed a self-imposed deadline to strike a deal with the Royal Bank of Scotland before Christmas. The bank will not allow the club to go under but the problems facing the pair could hasten their departure — and see Dubai International Capital, the state-backed investment firm who were in pole position to buy Liverpool before the arrival of the Americans, back in the market as potential new owners......................

Adding to the intrigue over the club's future, it is understood that former Germany World Cup coach Jurgen Klinsmann has been sounded out as a replacement for Benitez. It is believed that contact between Klinsmann and the club has taken place at a high level and the German is thought to be interested in taking over at Anfield.

Despite assurances that there is money to spend in the January window, Benitez's public rift with Hicks and Gillett over the club's transfer policy may be beyond repair.

Boardroom backing for Benitez has been lukewarm in the wake of reports linking Klinsmann with the job.

Football, Premiership, FA Cup, World Cup, Champions League | the Daily Mail

Regaine · #**4960** 23-12-2007, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by KingEros

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First of all, you already said it's an old saying ...
More importantly, are you one of those who are still not owning a handphone or using internet banking??

Firstly, you are confused becoz what Rafa does is not conventional. It'd help your understanding too, if you read less of what conventional has-beens (already an overstatement, considering he hasn't even won a single thing as a local coach) like Tohari Paijan writes on the TNP ...
More significantly, the players are definitely not confused ... BUT being able to bring their own ability to the peak, whenever they are called upon - that is the problem. However, Rafa is certain his "scientifically analytical" methods will reign supreme as we enter the second half of the season.
For this, I have ALL my faith in him ... yes, you may call me daft.

Sorry to disppoint you I do use handphone.I am also using wireless internet ; webcam and internet banking and online govt services. I'm able to accept modern technology that helps to make our life much better but not to be a slave to it.

Yes you are right I'm quite confuse as still don't able to understand Rafa's methods.Heng Liverpool win last nite quite convincingly. Just see what will happen next game. He will change players again.

Regaine · #**4961** 23-12-2007, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rahl

On the other hand, I get a bit sick of hearing it's due to luck - cos it'd not really saying anything at all. Can we say it's due to Kingeros instead? Hehehe.

So was last night win based on luck ?